[Vorbis] streaming ogg

[Steve]

Let's forget this subject -- I'm going to use mp3's.  Thanks.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve 
  To: Ralph Giles 
  Cc: Vorbis at xiph.org 
  Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vorbis] streaming ogg


  Well, can you tell me if I can put oggcodecs_0.71.0946.exe on my server for visitors that would like to use WMP?  Are there any legal stipulations that I need to observe?  I was not able to determine this on that download page.

  I never did get a clear answer from xiph regarding requirements for placing xiph_player_plugins_0.7.exe on my server for visitors who prefer RealPlayer.  (They recommended Helix Player.)  I have experimented and found that RealPlayer does not have trouble resuming ogg play after a lengthy pause.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Ralph Giles 
    To: Steve 
    Cc: Vorbis at xiph.org 
    Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 12:20 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vorbis] streaming ogg


    On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:12:06AM -0400, Steve wrote:

    > We are finding that when we stream an ogg file via a .m3u file on our server, playing it with Winamp, pausing the player for an extended period of time results in unpredictable results, such as the file ceasing to play before EOF. Is this a Winamp issue, or is there something someone can tell me about streaming ogg in this manner?

    Might be a TCP issue, depending on your operating systems and the 
    definition of "a long time". A normal webserver (as opposed to
    a "live" stream like icecast provides) will keep sending data at
    whatever rate the client requests until the file is finished, but
    if you pause, the client will generally stop requesting data. If
    no data is sent for long enough (somewhere between 10 minutes and
    a few hours, depending) the TCP stack will time out and the connection
    will drop. The result is that when you unpause, it will play what 
    remains in the download buffer, then stop.

    If that's what's happening, it really is a winamp problem, since it can 
    detect this and restart the connection. No idea if it does or not 
    though.

    Does that help?

     -r


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