[vorbis] ArtistHost

Mon Feb 3 17:43:25 PST 2003

I do not think that it's fair to say that nobody has to worry about money in the Ogg Vorbis project. It seems that the developers are paying by devoting underpaid (or free?) time. To me, it seems important to reiterate that funding is necessary to keep the project afloat. Saying that it costs nothing for the developers to work on it certainly does not encourage donations from end users.

Sergey Meniailenko

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vorbis at xiph.org [mailto:owner-vorbis at xiph.org] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Prince
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:56 AM
To: vorbis at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [vorbis] ArtistHost

Which is exactly why Ogg Vorbis is much better all around.  Nobody has to worry
about $$$$.  Not the developers.  Not the hardware manufacturers.  Not the end
user.  Just a good all around alternative to anything else that costs someone
$$$$.
Lorenzo

<p>> [quote]WMA is "mainstream" becauses microsoft can say "heres $$$$$$, add
> > support for WMA"
> > even thou ogg vorbris is more popular and better. [/quote]
>
> Guess who pay for "heres $$$$$$  :-(    :very angry:    >.<
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris" <cl at enposte.net>
> To: <vorbis at xiph.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [vorbis] ArtistHost
>
>
> > WMA is "mainstream" becauses microsoft can say "heres $$$$$$, add
> > support for WMA"
> > even thou ogg vorbris is more popular and better.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Lorenzo Prince wrote:
> >
> > >I don't understand why that company considers Windows Media to be a main
> > >format, or more popular than Ogg Vorbis.  The only place I have ever seen
> > >more Windows Media than Ogg Vorbis is on web sites that do streaming.  Most
> > >files that are extracted from CD's or encoded from other formats are
usually
> > >in mp3.  Quite a few are in Ogg Vorbis.  The rest, which are very few, are
> > >in WMA format.  I know I don't store my CD's in WMA format.  So how can
they
> > >even put Windows Media on the same plain with mp3 or Ogg Vorbis?
> > >Also, I guess it is, as you said, a "which came first?  The chicken or the
> > >Ogg" situation.  It's a very strange business phenomenon.
> > >(We thePeople):  Could you please support what we like in your product?
> > >(Company): We won't support it until it's popular.
> > >(We the People): When you support our format it will become popular.
> > >(Company): Sorry, but we won't support it until it's popular.
> > >What they don't realize is that Ogg Vorbis is already quite popular.  But
> > >it's companies like that that keep it from being more popular than it
> > >already is.  Ogg Vorbis isn't a popular format in the hardware market
> > >because hardware manufacturers don't currently support it.  Hardware
> > >manufacturers don't currently support Ogg Vorbis because it isn't popular
in
> > >the hardware market.  This is a bad business practice, and will eventually
> > >lead to the company going bankrupt, or at least losing a lot of business.
> > >Maybe some of us can help by making a hardware player available that
> > >supports Ogg Vorbis.  Not sure, and it may be difficult to do, but it's
just
> > >a thought.  Otherwise, we can all just buy the first or best player to
> > >support Ogg Vorbis, and tell everyone else to buy it too.  Let the first
> > >company to support Ogg Vorbis in their hardware get all the business.  and
> > >then maybe the other companies will finally see the light and turn to the
> > >fish.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "O Si Yo" <axionman2k2 at yahoo.com>
> > >To: <vorbis at xiph.org>
> > >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:15 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [vorbis] ArtistHost
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>the old 'which came first, the chicken or the ogg'
> > >>syndrome.
> > >>
> > >>chickens do not do .ogg
> > >>
> > >>pawk pawk pawk pawk
> > >>
> > >>I wrote the company making a new non-CD portable
> > >>player, that uses a 15GB drive to store sound files.
> > >>Adding support for the .ogg codec would seem trivial
> > >>for such a computer based player.
> > >>
> > >>Their customer service rep indicated interest:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>[name] check this out, what do you think. I get
> > >>>inquiries about this all the
> > >>>time...........Luis
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>But the tech replied:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>We here at e.digital have hear alot about .ogg
> > >>>format, but tell it becomes a
> > >>>main format (Like mp3 or WMA) it will be considered
> > >>>and looked into.
> > >>>[name]
> > >>>e.digital Test Supervisor.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>I wrote back to him to encourage such consideration.
> > >>He curtly replied:
> > >>
> > >>"When Ogg becomes more of a main format like (Mp3 and
> > >>wma) there will be more consideration for that format,
> > >>but tell then it will not."  The end.  Looks like some
> > >>other company with vision will reap the benefits of
> > >>going with .ogg first.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>--- Martin Blackwell <djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>heres a quote from an email about this hosting
> > >>>company who requested that their site be listed in
> > >>>the links section of the website i run for a band on
> > >>>Homstead. Both me and the band said no. mostly cause
> > >>>theres no point, and the guy i got an email from
> > >>>seemed to be rude.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>***
> > >>
> > >>__________________________________________________
> > >>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> > >>http://mailplus.yahoo.com
> > >>--- >8 ----
> > >>List archives:  http://www.xiph.org/archives/
> > >>Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/
> > >>To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request at xiph.org'
> > >>containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body.  No subject is needed.
> > >>Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >--- >8 ----
> > >List archives:  http://www.xiph.org/archives/
> > >Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/
> > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request at xiph.org'
> > >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body.  No subject is needed.
> > >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> > >
> > >.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --- >8 ----
> > List archives:  http://www.xiph.org/archives/
> > Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/
> > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request at xiph.org'
> > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body.  No subject is needed.
> > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> >
> >
> --- >8 ----
> List archives:  http://www.xiph.org/archives/
> Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/
> To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request at xiph.org'
> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body.  No subject is needed.
> Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
>

<p>--- >8 ----
List archives:  http://www.xiph.org/archives/
Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/
To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request at xiph.org'
containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body.  No subject is needed.
Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.

<p><p>--- >8 ----
List archives:  http://www.xiph.org/archives/
Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/
To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request at xiph.org'
containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body.  No subject is needed.
Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.