[vorbis] (Classical) Request for Standardization of expanded TAGS

[Beni Cherniavksy]

On 2001-12-12, Jonathan Walther wrote:

> Beni, thanks for your comments.  I believe they are addressed in the
> most recent revision of the proposal, here:
>
> http://209.53.17.13/~djw/ogg-tags.txt
>
Erhh..  I should have scrolled the mail reader down before I start
answering old posts as I read ;)

> The proposal hasn't been updated for 4 days now; a good sign that it has
> settled into something pretty close to its final form, unless Monty
> speaks up and suprises us all.
>
I second (fifteenth? :) many people that say PERFORMER / ENSEBMLE
separation is problematic.  I don't know how to use it _usefully_ with
most of the oggs I have.  I can make decisions by the rules you gave but I
won't end with useful information represented by this distinction.

A related question on this: I have many songs by two ensembles (one duo,
one trio) that kept changed their composition (one man left, another one
got in) but kept the name and style.  So I usually want to just write the
band name, e.g. when searching for songs by them but I sometimes I want to
know who exactly it was.  Should I indicate this in the ENSEMBLE or by
adding the PERFORMER that made the difference?  The later seems better but
is ambigous to someone not knowing these detail well: when you see both
ENSEMBLE and PERFORMER, does it mean that it's an additional performer or
a part of this ensemble that the tagger decided to specifically note?

I also strongly dislike the "Any attempt to use the ARTIST tag must be an
extreme nuisance for the user of the program" statement!  I would like to
see a copy of this proposal distributed along with the different tagging
tools, and availiable by a single click on a "Recommended tags" button in
the tagging dialog.  Also provide simple means to use this tags but don't
do anything negative.  I like very much to catalogue my music but I myself
will use ARTIST sometimes (when I don't know more information).  I don't
want to be told by programs "That's deprecated, if you do it more than
twice a week I will remind you again, then if you don't get the point I
will delete all files with ARTIST tags from your hard disk so that you
learn to tag correctly..."  Of course I exaggerated but _I know what I do
when I use ARTIST_.  And people who don't won't learn from punishment,
they will only become angry.

Here is a way to make people avoid ARTIST by positive rather than negative
means: in the tagging GUI, near every artist field, show a radio list of
PERFORMER, COMPOSER, AUTHOR, etc... that when selected mutates the ARTIST
into that tag.  It's a good idea for some other places too, to lower the
energy barrier of being more specific.


-- 
Beni Cherniavsky <cben at tx.technion.ac.il>
                 (also scben at t2 in Technion)

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