[vorbis] RC2 worse than RC1 and Beta4

Bacchus 13 bacchus13 at zdnetonebox.com
Tue Aug 21 08:31:39 PDT 2001



---- On Mon 20 Aug 2001, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <gcp at sjeng.org> wrote:

> I have put the files on a faster and much more reliable server
> since. (and updated the links in the link above)

Thanx.  ...let's see...

> My interest is getting an idea of how many people can
> tell the codecs on a hard sample at high bitrates, and
> some data about how the codecs perform there.

How about making some more detailed options for Ogg?  Although I once
suggested the programmers do this, I’ll repeat it.  The reason is below.

1.Promotion purpose.

This would naturally introduce hardcore codec fans to Ogg.  So, give
them something to play with.  ;-)

2.Development purpose.

This is related with the reason above.  Once hardcore fans are accustomed
to switches, they will try then out and find the flaws with some options,
which would allow the developers to identify the cause of it and save
them from wild goose chases.

It is needless to say that the above is based on the success of LAME
project.  For example, if I need to state one of them at all, the ‘nspsytune’
switch, which was introduced to the format about a year ago, is now the
part of official r3mix option.

As long as I am concerned, I don’t think it is completely useless to
tell programmers what we ordinary computer users want in this mailing
list.  The reasons are simple:

Open source project programmers and small companies cannot afford comprehensive
researches like gigantic enterprises can do.  Media Jukebox has a unique
message board system at their home page, which seems to be quite successful.
 Therefore, if we write what we want here, not only programmers but also
private companies who are thinking of using Ogg on their software will
know what they need to improve to attract users.  Increasing users means
increasing fund and increasing the possibility of the success of the
project.

I wrote about problems with Peter’s plug-ins here while ago since it
must be one of the key programs for the popularisation of Ogg.  Now,
if the plug-in (1.14b) works on the other peoples’ computers as well
as on my computer, it seems to be already prepared to commercial usage.
 Really a good job, Peter.  Honestly, I am impressed.  Some people also
wrote about the possibility of All-in-One software for Windows, which,
I think, is important as well.  For not so many people rip their CDs
into wav, encode it with Oggdrop and edit comments.  At least, a program
allows the automation of the procedure above is needed.  For the future
improvement of Ogg, if the program also has a comprehensive net radio
function, it should be more desirable.

So, I don’t think speaking up what we want is a purely selfish act. 
Some programmers on Linux do not know much about what Windows users think.
 They know much about computers, which makes it difficult for them to
understand many ignorant computer users like me.  We are ignorant of
their thoughts and they are ignorant of our thoughts.  (They couldn’t
understand why Windows were successful despite the technical flaws. 
It could be said that Microsoft merchandised this gap between the recognition
of technical experts and that of ordinary users.  Reducing the gap would
make Microsoft uncomfortable, then.)  This is why the user mailing lists
exist.  Different from spyware style on-sided patent enterprises communication,
we can communicate through open source projects.  In the world of open
source, programmers are not slave workers under the pressure of marketing
and users are not consumer cattle for gigantic enterprises anymore. 
In this way, we can relate ourselves with the future against marketing-centred
economy, in which we are excluded to participate in except as slaves.
 (Some people seem to be talking about Warez, here.  However, let’s forget
about Warez guys, since it just makes and keeps them pity thieves, of
whom monopolists are not afraid.)

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