[vorbis] RC2 worse than RC1 and Beta4
xiphmont at xiph.org
Thu Aug 16 22:35:15 PDT 2001
On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:18:21PM -0400, M.r. Rage wrote:
> >> Both
> >> encoders SEEM to have a couple of dB bump at 10kHz.
> >Not quite. You'll see a slight bump in rc2 at about 11kHz due to
> >unnormalized point stereo. b4 did not perform coupling.
> I did a little test to try to figure out what I'm hearing. Took a wav file
> I made with 8kHz, 10kHz and 12kHz sine wave test tones (all the same
> amplitude) and converted it to ogg 128k b4. Then I flipped the phase of the
> ogg and added it to the original wav, figuring this would show the
> artifacts induced in the compression. Looking at the resulting waveform,
> 10k was about twice the average peak amplitude of the 8k, with 12k about
> halfway in between.
That methodology is flawed. You will see an increase in noise in a
ramp at about 11kHz, following the ATH, because the ear is less
sensitive there. This does *not* imply a net increase in
(A trivial counterexample to your claim: If the signal is at +0dB, and
the noise signal you construct shows an increase in noise from -50dB
to -45dB at 11kHz, that does *not* indicate an increase of 5dB at
11kHz. It indicates an increase of a less than a hundredth of a dB.
The log scale does not add linearly. In addition, that only counts if
the noise is uncorrelated with the original signal, which, in this
case, it is not. A net *decrease* in original signal strength at
11kHz would appear in your test as an 'increase' because it would
appear as out of phase 'noise'.)
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