[theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded ogg files

Wed Jan 7 13:15:06 PST 2009

hey this community works great! thank you michel, ralph and saulgoode. i have check your reccomendations. as you said amazon s3 is not free. i mean not as money but also as mind. it is a bussiness. blip tv is good that it has options for ogg theora but it has a 1gb limit per video. it is enough for most of my work but i wanted to upload the videos to a service which has the mind of "free culture".

by the time i checked archieve.org (like 1,5 month ago) they didn't host theora files. but now i see that they are now!!! this is a great development. as a political approach i am not for cc because "share alike" is not compulsory for them, which is the main logic of copyleft. i am more for fsf's approach and free art license for artworks. in fact libre commons is even better because they have nothing to do with laws but moral issues. our copyleft license is just like fsf's and free art license which encourages copying,  modification, re-distribution by giving credits to the auhors under the same rules. but i think i will have to choose attribution, share alike cc license (not public domain) for archive.org. but thats ok. i also wanted to have only ogg theora option availbale to make people download the codec to watch the videos but i think archive.org is still ok since their policy is close to the mind of "free culture". i will send you the links of the
 sites for the project when they are ready, if you are interested.

i did many test to find the apporpriate quality/filesize optimization for my original dv footage and found that approx. 5000kbps theora is pretty close to dv quality (i mean reasonably good, with litte artifacts)

by the way sorry ralph but i could understand what you meant by the following (because of my english:D )

Completely tangentially, what do you consider the 'preferred format
for modification' for these pieces if it's under copyleft? (As opposed
to Creative Commons.) Theora is pretty lossy for a mastering format,
and of course it's already been edited down...

thanx to the community

 .-_-.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded    ogg
      files (saulgoode at flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com)
   2. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded ogg
      files (michel memeteau)
   3. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded ogg
      file (Ralph Giles)

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:33:04 -0500
From: saulgoode at flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded    ogg    files
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If you upload an OGG video to archive.org then both the original OGG  
file and a derived H.264 MPEG-4 will be provided for download (see  
their recent policy change at:
http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/
)

Is Archive.org unacceptable because they are producing the derived  
MPEG-4 download and you want your video to ONLY be available in OGG  
format? That choice is certainly yours to make and I won't try to  
convince you otherwise; I just wanted to clarify that Archive.org will  
also offer the original OGG version.

Quoting Orton Akinci <ortonak at yahoo.com>:

> hi,
>
> i am looking for a free hosting / file transfer service to share  
> theora and vorbis encoded ogg videos. i have been making a series of  
>  contemporary art projects titled "a copyleft crowdsourcing  
> free/open  source project" with art students in gropus of 50-120. as  
> a part of  the project we want to share the video and audio content  
> created for  the project as copyleft and  free/open source. that's  
> why i am  looking for a service that won't conflict with the idea of  
> copyleft  and open source. i need a service to host for download and  
> share big  theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit.  
> unfotunately  vimeo doesn't support theora. archive org accepts  
> theora but  converts it to mpeg2 for download. rapidshare, yousendit  
> etc all  have time and file size limitations. wikimedia doesn't work  
> for me  either.  i found a service called wikiupload.com but it  
> doesn't seem  a trustable service.
>
> shortly i need a service to host/share big theora & vorbis encoded  
> ogg files without time limit that also supports open source  
> ideology. i will share the links of 3 projects i have already done  
> with you as soon as their websites are ready.
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:38 +0100
From: "michel memeteau" <michel.memeteau at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded ogg    files
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Hi

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, <saulgoode at flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com>wrote:

> If you upload an OGG video to archive.org then both the original OGG
> file and a derived H.264 MPEG-4 will be provided for download (see
> their recent policy change at:
>
> http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/
> )
>

that IS really interressting. What are the limits and eventually drawbacks
of submitting video contents to archive.org then ?

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:01:23 -0800
From: "Ralph Giles" <giles at xiph.org>
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded ogg    file
To: "Orton Akinci" <ortonak at yahoo.com>
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Chris Double <chris.double at double.co.nz> wrote:

> How big is 'big'? Any estimates of size? Amazon S3 would probably do
> what you want.

Amazon S3 will host individual files up to 5 GB, but it's paid, not
free hosting.

Archive.org will host CC-licensed theora content; you could check if
your copyleft license is suitable for them. They will transcode it to
patent-encumbered MPEG formats as well; I don't know if that's
objectionable to you.

Completely tangentially, what do you consider the 'preferred format
for modification' for these pieces if it's under copyleft? (As opposed
to Creative Commons.) Theora is pretty lossy for a mastering format,
and of course it's already been edited down...

-r

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:25:32 +0100
From: "michel memeteau" <michel.memeteau at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded ogg    file
To: "Orton Akinci" <ortonak at yahoo.com>
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Hi , I usually use blip.tv as they can store and display the ogg theora
video. the drawback is that some french ISP seems to limit the bandwidth
access to blip

I then usually use theorasea.org to index it or include it on a blog using
Itheora

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:57:25 +1300
From: "Chris Double" <chris.double at double.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis
    encoded ogg    file
To: "Orton Akinci" <ortonak at yahoo.com>
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Orton Akinci <ortonak at yahoo.com> wrote:
> i need a service to host for download and
> share big theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit.

How big is 'big'? Any estimates of size? Amazon S3 would probably do
what you want.

Chris.
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