<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">hey this community works great! thank you michel, ralph and saulgoode. i have check your reccomendations. as you said amazon s3 is not free. i mean not as money but also as mind. it is a bussiness. blip tv is good that it has options for ogg theora but it has a 1gb limit per video. it is enough for most of my work but i wanted to upload the videos to a service which has the mind of "free culture".<br><br>by the time i checked archieve.org (like 1,5 month ago) they didn't host theora files. but now i see that they are now!!! this is a great development. as a political approach i am not for cc because "share alike" is not compulsory for them, which is the main logic of copyleft. i am more for fsf's approach and free art license for artworks. in fact libre commons is even better because they have nothing to do
with laws but moral issues. our copyleft license is just like fsf's and free art license which encourages copying, modification, re-distribution by giving credits to the auhors under the same rules. but i think i will have to choose attribution, share alike cc license (not public domain) for archive.org. but thats ok. i also wanted to have only ogg theora option availbale to make people download the codec to watch the videos but i think archive.org is still ok since their policy is close to the mind of "free culture". i will send you the links of the sites for the project when they are ready, if you are interested.<br><br>i did many test to find the apporpriate quality/filesize optimization for my original dv footage and found that approx. 5000kbps theora is pretty close to dv quality (i mean reasonably good, with litte artifacts)<br><br>by the way sorry ralph but i could understand what you meant by the following (because of my english:D )<br><br
style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">Completely tangentially, what do you consider the 'preferred format</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">for modification' for these pieces if it's under copyleft? (As opposed</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">to Creative Commons.) Theora is pretty lossy for a mastering format,</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">and of course it's already been edited down...</span><br><br>thanx to the community<br><br><br><a ymailto="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com" href="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com"></a><div> </div>.-_-.<div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></b> "theora-request@xiph.org" <theora-request@xiph.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> theora@xiph.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 7, 2009 10:00:05 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> theora Digest, Vol 56, Issue 4<br></font><br>
Send theora mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:theora@xiph.org" href="mailto:theora@xiph.org">theora@xiph.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/theora" target="_blank">http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/theora</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:theora-request@xiph.org" href="mailto:theora-request@xiph.org">theora-request@xiph.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:theora-owner@xiph.org" href="mailto:theora-owner@xiph.org">theora-owner@xiph.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of theora digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis
encoded ogg<br> files (<a ymailto="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com" href="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com">saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com</a>)<br> 2. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded ogg<br> files (michel memeteau)<br> 3. Re: online service to host/share theora&vorbis encoded ogg<br> file (Ralph Giles)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:33:04 -0500<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com" href="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com">saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis<br> encoded ogg files<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:theora@xiph.org"
href="mailto:theora@xiph.org">theora@xiph.org</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:20090107103304.5wzbzil4g04cgw80@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com" href="mailto:20090107103304.5wzbzil4g04cgw80@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com">20090107103304.5wzbzil4g04cgw80@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";<br> format="flowed"<br><br>If you upload an OGG video to <a target="_blank" href="http://archive.org">archive.org</a> then both the original OGG <br>file and a derived H.264 MPEG-4 will be provided for download (see <br>their recent policy change at:<br><a href="http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/" target="_blank">http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/</a><br>)<br><br>Is Archive.org unacceptable because they are
producing the derived <br>MPEG-4 download and you want your video to ONLY be available in OGG <br>format? That choice is certainly yours to make and I won't try to <br>convince you otherwise; I just wanted to clarify that Archive.org will <br>also offer the original OGG version.<br><br>Quoting Orton Akinci <<a ymailto="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com" href="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com">ortonak@yahoo.com</a>>:<br><br>> hi,<br>><br>> i am looking for a free hosting / file transfer service to share <br>> theora and vorbis encoded ogg videos. i have been making a series of <br>> contemporary art projects titled "a copyleft crowdsourcing <br>> free/open source project" with art students in gropus of 50-120. as <br>> a part of the project we want to share the video and audio content <br>> created for the project as copyleft and free/open source.
that's <br>> why i am looking for a service that won't conflict with the idea of <br>> copyleft and open source. i need a service to host for download and <br>> share big theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit. <br>> unfotunately vimeo doesn't support theora. archive org accepts <br>> theora but converts it to mpeg2 for download. rapidshare, yousendit <br>> etc all have time and file size limitations. wikimedia doesn't work <br>> for me either. i found a service called <a target="_blank" href="http://wikiupload.com">wikiupload.com</a> but it <br>> doesn't seem a trustable service.<br>><br>> shortly i need a service to host/share big theora & vorbis encoded <br>> ogg files without time limit that also supports open source <br>> ideology. i will share the links of 3 projects i have
already done <br>> with you as soon as their websites are ready.<br>><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:38 +0100<br>From: "michel memeteau" <<a ymailto="mailto:michel.memeteau@gmail.com" href="mailto:michel.memeteau@gmail.com">michel.memeteau@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis<br> encoded ogg files<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com" href="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com">saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com</a><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:theora@xiph.org" href="mailto:theora@xiph.org">theora@xiph.org</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:c7fe8b8c0901070818x5a38c9c6oea8fc01472a124e9@mail.gmail.com"
href="mailto:c7fe8b8c0901070818x5a38c9c6oea8fc01472a124e9@mail.gmail.com">c7fe8b8c0901070818x5a38c9c6oea8fc01472a124e9@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi<br><br>On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, <<a ymailto="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com" href="mailto:saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com">saulgoode@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com</a>>wrote:<br><br>> If you upload an OGG video to archive.org then both the original OGG<br>> file and a derived H.264 MPEG-4 will be provided for download (see<br>> their recent policy change at:<br>><br>> <a href="http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/" target="_blank">http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/new-strategy-for-internet-archive-movies/</a><br>> )<br>><br><br>that IS really interressting. What are the limits and eventually drawbacks<br>of submitting video contents
to archive.org then ?<br><br>-- <br>%<------------------------------------------------------->%<br>Michel memeteau<br>Blog 0.2 : <a href="http://memeteau.free.fr" target="_blank">http://memeteau.free.fr</a><br>Fixe : 0974763294 Mobile : 0624808051<br>VOIP | Visio: sip:<a ymailto="mailto:freechelmi@ippi.fr" href="mailto:freechelmi@ippi.fr">freechelmi@ippi.fr</a> <sip%<a ymailto="mailto:3Afreechelmi@ippi.fr" href="mailto:3Afreechelmi@ippi.fr">3Afreechelmi@ippi.fr</a>><br>jabber/GTalk : xmpp:<a ymailto="mailto:freechelmi@jabber.fr" href="mailto:freechelmi@jabber.fr">freechelmi@jabber.fr</a> <xmpp%<a ymailto="mailto:3Afreechelmi@jabber.fr" href="mailto:3Afreechelmi@jabber.fr">3Afreechelmi@jabber.fr</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/attachments/20090107/384cbddb/attachment-0001.htm"
target="_blank">http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/attachments/20090107/384cbddb/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:01:23 -0800<br>From: "Ralph Giles" <<a ymailto="mailto:giles@xiph.org" href="mailto:giles@xiph.org">giles@xiph.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis<br> encoded ogg file<br>To: "Orton Akinci" <<a ymailto="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com" href="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com">ortonak@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:theora@xiph.org" href="mailto:theora@xiph.org">theora@xiph.org</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:5d88ef650901071101t587fc160t6a64165962538805@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:5d88ef650901071101t587fc160t6a64165962538805@mail.gmail.com">5d88ef650901071101t587fc160t6a64165962538805@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Chris Double <<a ymailto="mailto:chris.double@double.co.nz" href="mailto:chris.double@double.co.nz">chris.double@double.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br><br>> How big is 'big'? Any estimates of size? Amazon S3 would probably do<br>> what you want.<br><br>Amazon S3 will host individual files up to 5 GB, but it's paid, not<br>free hosting.<br><br>Archive.org will host CC-licensed theora content; you could check if<br>your copyleft license is suitable for them. They will transcode it to<br>patent-encumbered MPEG formats as well; I don't know if that's<br>objectionable to you.<br><br>Completely tangentially, what do you consider the 'preferred format<br>for modification' for these pieces if it's under copyleft? (As opposed<br>to Creative Commons.) Theora is pretty lossy for a mastering format,<br>and of course it's already been edited down...<br><br>
-r<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>theora mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:theora@xiph.org" href="mailto:theora@xiph.org">theora@xiph.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/theora" target="_blank">http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/theora</a><br><br><br>End of theora Digest, Vol 56, Issue 4<br>*************************************<br><br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:25:32 +0100<br>From: "michel memeteau" <<a ymailto="mailto:michel.memeteau@gmail.com" href="mailto:michel.memeteau@gmail.com"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1231360152_15">michel.memeteau@gmail.com</span></a>><br>Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis<br> encoded ogg file<br>To: "Orton Akinci" <<a ymailto="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com" href="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com">ortonak@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc: <a
ymailto="mailto:theora@xiph.org" href="mailto:theora@xiph.org">theora@xiph.org</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:c7fe8b8c0901070225yb7e22ecx72eab86387967eef@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:c7fe8b8c0901070225yb7e22ecx72eab86387967eef@mail.gmail.com"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1231360152_16">c7fe8b8c0901070225yb7e22ecx72eab86387967eef@mail.gmail.com</span></a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi , I usually use <a target="_blank" href="http://blip.tv/"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1231360152_17">blip.tv</span></a> as they can store and display the ogg theora<br>video. the drawback is that some french ISP seems to limit the bandwidth<br>access to blip<br><br>I then usually use <a target="_blank" href="http://theorasea.org/"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1231360152_18">theorasea.org</span></a> to index it or include it on a blog using<br>Itheora<br><br><br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Wed, 7 Jan
2009 23:57:25 +1300<br>From: "Chris Double" <<a ymailto="mailto:chris.double@double.co.nz" href="mailto:chris.double@double.co.nz"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1231360152_27">chris.double@double.co.nz</span></a>><br>Subject: Re: [theora] online service to host/share theora&vorbis<br> encoded ogg file<br>To: "Orton Akinci" <<a ymailto="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com" href="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com">ortonak@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:theora@xiph.org" href="mailto:theora@xiph.org">theora@xiph.org</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:c2e346f90901070257o59a469fdx10217974f7847ec5@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:c2e346f90901070257o59a469fdx10217974f7847ec5@mail.gmail.com"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1231360152_28">c2e346f90901070257o59a469fdx10217974f7847ec5@mail.gmail.com</span></a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br><span style="border-bottom:
1px dashed rgb(0, 102, 204); background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%; cursor: pointer; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1231360152_29">On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:48 PM</span>, Orton Akinci <<a ymailto="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com" href="mailto:ortonak@yahoo.com">ortonak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> i need a service to host for download and<br>> share big theora and vorbis encoded ogg files without time limit.<br><br>How big is 'big'? Any estimates of size? Amazon S3 would probably do<br>what you want.<br><br>Chris.<br>-- <br><a href="http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/" target="_blank"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1231360152_30">http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz</span></a><br><br><br></div></div></div><br>
</body></html>