[Icecast] Https Meta data

[HGAlt]

Hi Philipp,

where can I find information, who to handle it?

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Icecast [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] Im Auftrag von Philipp Schafft
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Oktober 2021 20:08
An: Icecast streaming server user discussions
Betreff: Re: [Icecast] Https Meta data

Good evening,

On Mon, 2021-10-25 at 19:57 +0200, HGAlt wrote:
> Hi Philipp,
>
> I am using MP3, but the meta data will provided by mairlist.
> Mairlist sends the stream to Icecast and it works fine http but not
> with https.
>
> My understanding is, that this information is not part of MP3, because
> mairlist only sends the audio data and not the MP3. The meta data will
> be send separate to Icecast. But with https VLC doesn't show them!

Exactly this separation is the point. That separation is what ICY is about. MP3 does not support metadata so a side channel is needed as a workaround.

Icecast does provide this just fine if asked for it.


> Hi Marvin,
>
> Do you know any player that show the meta data foe https?
> Maybe VLC and Icecast should communicate directly the solve this
> problem.
> What do you think?


And again, there is nothing to do on the Icecast side. Let me make this
clear: Icecast's listener protocol handling code does not even know if the client is connected via TLS or not.

I don't want to point here at VLC. Also keeping in mind that others behave the same way. I just want to make clear that there is nothing we can do on the Icecast side as there is no problem on the Icecast side.


With best regards,

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Icecast [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] Im Auftrag von Philipp
> Schafft
> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Oktober 2021 19:34
> An: Icecast streaming server user discussions
> Betreff: Re: [Icecast] Https Meta data
>
> Good evening,
>
> On Mon, 2021-10-25 at 19:20 +0200, HGAlt wrote:
> > I have a problem with https streaming. In VLC no meta data will be
> > displayed.
> > This seems to be an known problem! If you search in the internet,
> > you will find a comment from VLC, that the problem is created by
> > Icecast.
> >
> > Is there any possibility to solve this problem?
>
> let me do a wild guess here: You are using MP3, or AAC.
>
> MP3, as well as AAC do not support metadata (unlike modern streaming
> formats) by themself. So they require the use of ICY as a transport.
> ICY is a workaround protocol by former Nullsoft that was meant only
> for letting Winamp talk with shoutcast. However Icecast has full
> emulation of that. TLS or not. To Icecast it is "all the same".
>
> And here is the big but:
>
> As Nullsoft decided that it is a "good" idea to use the "http" URI
> scheme for their protocol now players must check when the user enters
> a "http" URL if that is actually HTTP or ICY. So the player does magic
> here. And as this is dirty black magic nobody likes it.
> Therefore players have never implemented it for "https". As "https"
> always meant "https" not "icys". And for reasons of not confusing
> things even more that is very good.
>
> However there is also no correct scheme as there never was one
> registered. So there is no standard way of telling a player to use
> "icys". Meaning, metadata will only work if not used with a legacy
> codec.
>
> Some players accept URLs with "icys", "icyxs", or "xicys",... But that
> really depends on the player.
>
> Icecast itself (all versions!) are happy to send those metadata if a
> player asks for them. So on the Icecast side there is nothing to do.
>
> My suggestion is migration to e.g. Opus for streaming which is
> basically "THE" state of the art codec. With Opus metadata just works.
>
> I hope this was helpful, both for you and everyone else reading.
>

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