[Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??]

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Sat Dec 28 02:21:16 PST 2002



Aaron Gaudio wrote:
> or developing for it. The fact that no release packages are available
> signifies to me that icecast2 is not yet ready for prime time. This

Well, there are, see Geoff's mail ... those are official. Multiple
problems of pretty much any kind prevented Xiph.org from getting
icecast.org in order; I don't know much about them, but the fact that
icecast.org is *really* in bad shape, its CVS is outdated, no mention of
Icecast2 as you said, like the missing Alpha release.. all this shows
that there must be something majorly b0rk3n. ;P ... and there's only
that much time they have to fix time intense things that have nothing to
do with what they want/we expect them to do - develop.

What I'm trying to say, those problems are webserver related. Icecast2
alpha was finished already months ago, and even before that it's been in
quite some wide production use already. Icecast2 is a stable program.
The most prominent example would surely be the BBC Vorbis streams.

If you're waiting for a 2.0 release (not alpha, not beta), well, your
loss. Icecast2 worked great for my little fun games for something like
1.5 years now (no, I don't have a 100 MBit line at my disposal ;P).
Apparently there are only a few minor features missing, and considering
its stability I believe a potential beta phase wouldn't last long.

> is not meant to be a criticism with anything about icecast2, as I
> haven't used it, merely that it should not be treated as if it is
> released until it is released, and icecast1 should not be treated as
> obsolete until icecast2 is released. (BTW, I had this same argument

It *is* released, but people can't get it besides from Mike's inofficial
place, Xiph.org CVS and Oddsock's win32 port on oddsock.org. That's the
whole issue, not Icecast2 being not where I pretend it to be.

I suggest you give it a try. Streaming Vorbis is fun. If you happen have
tools like libtool, automake/-conf et al installed, getting it from CVS
is really no big deal and no different than installing from a release
tarball.

> Furthermore, since icecast2 is not released yet, IMO it is premature
> to disable the icecast1-compatible directory server (especially
> without any kind of warning). I will continue to use icecast1, for
> all of its faults until icecast2 appears to be, if not a mature
> project, then at least a project which has given birth. The fact that

Uh, does any directory server still work? The Shoutcast people didn't
want Icecast servers announced in their directories anymore for quite
some time now, iirc, and given the shape of icecast.org, every "normal"
directory servers there might simply be broken over time. ;P

<p>Moritz
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