[icecast] lots of icecast help needed
asym at rfnj.org
Wed Feb 28 06:29:43 UTC 2001
At 19:57 2/27/2001 -0600, dj66 wrote:
>Hi, I've been running Icecast on my server for over five months now and am
>having lots of problems with it. I must have pulled out half of my hair on
>this product, mostly due to lack of support. (I mean, have you ever gotten
>an answer to your question at icecast.org?) I've tried it all: sc_serv,
>Icecast, shout, ices, streamcast, liveice. I could greatly use any help.
I'm having problems of my own, but more on that later.. ;)
>I am using the latest Icecast (latest Ices, libshout and libshout-perl) from
>First, my server isn't being posted to yp.icecast.org or yp.shoutcast.com.
>WARNING: Connect to yp.icecast.org failed
>directory_add([yp.shoutcast.com:80]) failed, could not connect. (retry in 0
I can't say for sure what could be causing this, but I'm having problems
with yp.shoutcast.com myself. I get:
icecast.logfile.log:[27/Feb/2001:20:03:08] [1:Calendar Thread]
directory_add([yp.shoutcast.com:80]) failed... directory server error
#404... (retry in 290 seconds)
I haven't looked into it yet, but I will. If I figure anything out, I'll
let everyone know.. I suspect shoutcast/nullsoft jerkoffs have changed
their format or something on purpose to make it incompatible with
icecast. This seems to be a running theme with them.. isn't it three
strikes and you're out?
1. icy protocol. This thing is uber-lame.. coding for it is a nightmare,
it's unpublished and undocumented, and stinks of people with little to no
experience designing protocols.
2. gnutella protocol. See 1, and then multiply by ten.
One to go!
>Right now I am using Ices, with metadata on. (I can see the song titles
>streamed in WinAmp and in the web interface).
How is that working for you? I'm using winamp and the shoutdsp on a
windows box to source my streams to shoutcast and icecast, depending on my
mood. I've found that if I turn on metadata in icecast, the streams do
exactly as the warning says they "might" do.. which is totally garble,
screech, squeal, and loose sync. It would be great if they could get this
to work properly, as winamp is without a doubt the single most popular
mp3/stream player in the world.
>Interestingly enough if I use sc_serv, and Ices (or shout or streamcast) in
>icy mode my server name gets posted to yp.shoutcast.com but my song names
>don't get posted. We are trying to use yp.shoutcast.com as a means of
>drawing more people to the site. Any ideas what's going on here?
It sounds to me like you have a conflict of protocols here. Winamp is the
only (to my knowledge) source that does it the icy way, all the rest use
the x-audiocast headers.. so while your server may be able to parse and
display both, I don't think it can forward both. AFAIK, sc_serv will only
send titles in icy mode and doesn't understand x-audiocast; icecast
understands icy and x-audiocast modes, but will only send reliably in
x-audiocast mode. I expect that yp.shoutcast.com doesn't understand
This would mean that you need to use an icy mode source -and- server to get
this to work properly, or at least a server that understands and can output
both modes, which doesn't exist.
>Second, is there a www admin template variable for showing last 10 songs?
>There is one for the current song, but last 10 or 5 would be insanely
>better. Is there a logged file, or logged playlist, somewhere that has
>this? I have not been able to find it. I image I could write a perl script
>as part of the playlist handler, but this must have been done already?
I'd like to hear what you come up with on this too. This is one of the
areas that sc_serv has a real win over icecast. I miss the ability to
define my own templates and have the output generated by the stream server
I'm almost to the point that I'm going to use a single-client sc_serv just
for generating templates and touching yp.shoutcast.org, and running my
icecast server as a client to the sc_serv so that I can get the multiple
I run a pretty small (for now) streaming station at http://rfnj.org but
there are two things that I really want to do reliably and easily.
1) Generate a simple template that will output a very small file I can
include via apache SSI that contains the currently playing song title, the
stream bitrate, the number of users currently listening on that stream, and
the maximum number of users supported. This was terribly simple to do with
shoutcast, and is proving to be a big hassle in icecast.
2) Have multiple sources that will cascade down to a default. I need this
functionality because I have a couple of DJs that do live shows at regular
days/hours of the week. With shoutcast this is a massive headache, because
the only way to do it is for them to kick me (the main show) off the server
and then connect their own sources before mine reconnects.. this results in
all the listening clients being kicked off the stream. This functionality
works pretty well in icecast, however I do wish I could have it
automatically switch listeners to the highest numbered source that's
connected automatically. As it is, the DJ has to switch them all by hand
at the start of the broadcast, which is kind of a pain.
>Libshout likes to take down Ices and Streamcast once every other day or so,
>but it's something I can live with and work around.
Heh. I have the same kind of problem with winamp. If I disconnect winamp
from icecast, it just hangs indefinitely. Killing it causes icecast to
hang in such a way that it can no longer accept connections and I have to
restart it as well.
Good luck, and maybe we'll see some updates to icecast (and the website)
sometime this year. ;)
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