No, I don't think so. Was: [vorbis] Vorbis 1.0 binary - Beta4 still the best?

[Moritz Grimm]

Aleksandar Dovnikovic wrote:
> > The primary difference in Garf's mode is that he allocates a
> > comparatively huge number of bits to impulse blocks.
> And that primary difference is why I'd recommend using GT2 if
> someone wants to use -q above, say, 8.5, because it definitely has
> less pre-echo (actually I couldn't hear any pre-echo at all) and
> the average bitrate is similar, or even smaller if you compare it
> with > q9.0 bitrates.

I wonder if it's possible to implement something like --garf-tuned
standard or --garf-tuned high for those two modes in 1.0 to make
everyone happy? Since many things can now be controlled through those
advanced options, "--alt-preset"-style things might be possible. I
hesitate to use the advanced options myself, because I'd propably make
things worse - presets that address a larger minority's listening
preferences might be very useful, since it should keep those who don't
really understand Vorbis (like me and propably most others on this list)
from creating suboptimal .ogg files.

As far as I can see, the general majority is very happy with the results
that -q, or even -b settings produce. E.g. I can't hear the difference
between -q 8.5 or GT2's -b 350 (I might even have loads of trouble
distinguishing -q 5 from GT2's -b 160). On the other hand, those who CAN
hear the pre-echo in those quality ranges might mess up things that I
can hear better by doing something wrong with the advanced settings in
order to address their problem.

Another bonus would be that those new presets would be based on 1.0
code, and not RC2 that had the re-encoding bug, for example.

Opinions, thoughts?

<p>Moritz

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