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>> Ludovic 'BlackSun' Vialle <blacksun at corecodec.com>,
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>>Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis tracks in QT files
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>>D Richard Felker III wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:26:21PM +0000, Mark Hills wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I tried to bind the 'OggS' 4CC to the vorbis codec in mov.c, but it
>>>>>doesn't seem to like it... anyway, in QuickTime AFAIK the vorbis track
>>>>>is embeded in an Ogg container... so we have those alternatives:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>The example you give from Cinerlerra is the only time I've ever seen
>>>>Vorbis audio as a track in a .mov file. And if it's already put in an Ogg
>>>>container, then I'd argue that that's not really the right way to go about
>>>>things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Cinelerra is total broken crap. This is NOT the proper way to put
>>>vorbis audio in a movie. Instead, you should just put a raw vorbis
>>>stream there for audio, no ogg nonsense. The ogg container format is
>>>horrible enough by itself without trying to put it inside yet another
>>>ugly container (quicktime).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Ogg container provides sync and seeking to a set of packets,
>>>>regardless of codec. I'm not familiar with .mov files, but presumably they
>>>>provide similar features. You can encode and decode Vorbis audio without
>>>>any need for the Ogg container if you're that way inclined. So I don't see
>>>>why there's any need for Ogg to be involved in this case. Unless anyone
>>>>could explain otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Because the author is a stupid and lame. Same reason why none of his
>>>software compiles right from source... Speaking of which, he doesn't
>>>understand the GPL since he makes you click a stupid "AGREE" thing
>>>before downloading source.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On a separate note, what do people think of the idea of using the Ogg
>>>>container to store Vorbis audio and some kind of libavcodec supported
>>>>video format? Whether the xiph.org crew would approve until they get their
>>>>Tarkin codec going, and whether MPlayer support or otherwise would follow
>>>>is anyone's guess, but it seems like a reasonable idea. Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>It's been done and it works, but it's not good. The ogg container is
>>>just a horrible design. Read all the mplayer-dev-eng archives
>>>regarding "new container format"/MPCF for lots of discussion on the
>>>matter. Soon the draft for our new spec will be complete and then we
>>>can store (wonderful) vorbis audio without the (crappy) ogg container,
>>>as standalone audio files or in movie files.
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Felker, whats your problem ? I can normally smell a wanker if i meet
>>one, even in the internet. I have no idea why my sensors were failing on
>>you in first instance, probably because you are hiding your stupid and
>>immatured insulting behind technical argumentation. In the end you're
>>nothing but a poor, socially handicapped person, unable for normal
>>communication and hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. Somebody
>>pay this guy a psychologist, he needs one desperately.
>>
>>You feel this mailing list is your 'private area' and you can insult
>>people and their work here at will ? Well, this ML has a public archive
>>accessible via HTTP, and everybody can subscribe to it and read your
>>comments, so this thinking is complete BS.
>>
>>Core developer or not, i fail to understand how the other developers of
>>both the FFMPEG and the mplayer projects can tolerate your behaviour.
>>You are throwing mud on the projects you are contributing to when
>>behaving like this, and that means their work is put into the dirt and
>>miscredited also.
>>
>>I am copying this email to the Vorbis user list, and i sincerely hope
>>some brave Xiph zealot people living in the States succeeds to find out
>>your real life adress and has a word with you about the very necessary
>>respect for Monty's work. We also had our doubts if Ogg is a good
>>container design for video handling, thats why we started our project,
>>but we will wait until Monty will present the final Ogg Theora specs
>>before we make any comments, and for sure we would not even think of
>>using a similar language as you are doing constantly. Its unfair to
>>judge Ogg's capabilities from OGM, as this project admittedly was a
>>quick hack IMHO, made from a 'stupid DirectShow kiddie' , to use your
>>very own words, and thus very Windows centric.
>>
>>Its a pitty i wont be in the States before April, i really loved to be
>>together with some Xiph people when they are talking to you,
>>contributing some good old, handmade Bavarian arguments. You should
>>learn, and hopefully soon, that it can be painful to insult other people
>>and their work .... in a real life !!!!
>>
>>no regards
>>
>>Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>P.S. Explanation for Xiph people : He has been doing the very same with
>> other projects on the mplayer-dev-eng ML, and repeatedly, most notably
>>without even having understood the basics of the specs in most cases.
>>Sorry for the ranting on a public mailing list, but enough is enough.
>>
>>P.P.S. And please, dont swob their new MPCF ( MPlayer Container Format )
>>with our old MCF project, they have nothing in common and its mere
>>coincidence that both sound similar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Subject:
>>Re: Ogg Vorbis tracks in QT files
>>From:
>>Christian HJ Wiesner <chris at wiesneronline.net>
>>Date:
>>Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:14:26 +0100
>>To:
>>ffmpeg-devel at lists.sourceforge.net, vorbis at xiph.org
>>
>>
>>D Richard Felker III wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:26:21PM +0000, Mark Hills wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I tried to bind the 'OggS' 4CC to the vorbis codec in mov.c, but it
>>>>>doesn't seem to like it... anyway, in QuickTime AFAIK the vorbis track
>>>>>is embeded in an Ogg container... so we have those alternatives:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>The example you give from Cinerlerra is the only time I've ever seen
>>>>Vorbis audio as a track in a .mov file. And if it's already put in
>>>>an Ogg
>>>>container, then I'd argue that that's not really the right way to go
>>>>about
>>>>things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Cinelerra is total broken crap. This is NOT the proper way to put
>>>vorbis audio in a movie. Instead, you should just put a raw vorbis
>>>stream there for audio, no ogg nonsense. The ogg container format is
>>>horrible enough by itself without trying to put it inside yet another
>>>ugly container (quicktime).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Ogg container provides sync and seeking to a set of packets,
>>>>regardless of codec. I'm not familiar with .mov files, but
>>>>presumably they
>>>>provide similar features. You can encode and decode Vorbis audio
>>>>without
>>>>any need for the Ogg container if you're that way inclined. So I
>>>>don't see
>>>>why there's any need for Ogg to be involved in this case. Unless anyone
>>>>could explain otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Because the author is a stupid and lame. Same reason why none of his
>>>software compiles right from source... Speaking of which, he doesn't
>>>understand the GPL since he makes you click a stupid "AGREE" thing
>>>before downloading source.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On a separate note, what do people think of the idea of using the Ogg
>>>>container to store Vorbis audio and some kind of libavcodec supported
>>>>video format? Whether the xiph.org crew would approve until they get
>>>>their
>>>>Tarkin codec going, and whether MPlayer support or otherwise would
>>>>follow
>>>>is anyone's guess, but it seems like a reasonable idea. Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>It's been done and it works, but it's not good. The ogg container is
>>>just a horrible design. Read all the mplayer-dev-eng archives
>>>regarding "new container format"/MPCF for lots of discussion on the
>>>matter. Soon the draft for our new spec will be complete and then we
>>>can store (wonderful) vorbis audio without the (crappy) ogg container,
>>>as standalone audio files or in movie files.
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>
>>Felker, whats your problem ? I can normally smell a wanker if i meet
>>one, even in the internet. I have no idea why my sensors were failing on
>>you in first instance, probably because you are hiding your stupid and
>>immatured insulting behind technical argumentation. In the end you're
>>nothing but a poor, socially handicapped person, unable for normal
>>communication and hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
>>Somebody pay this guy a psychologist, he needs one desperately.
>>
>>You feel this mailing list is your 'private area' and you can insult
>>people and their work here at will ? Well, this ML has a public archive
>>accessible via HTTP, and everybody can subscribe to it and read your
>>comments, so this thinking is complete BS.
>>
>>Core developer or not, i fail to understand how the other developers of
>>both the FFMPEG and the mplayer projects can tolerate your behaviour.
>>You are throwing mud on the projects you are contributing to when
>>behaving like this, and that means their work is put into the dirt and
>>miscredited also.
>>
>>I am copying this email to the Vorbis user list, and i sincerely hope
>>some brave Xiph zealot people living in the States succeeds to find
>>out your real life adress and has a word with you about the very
>>necessary
>>respect for Monty's work. We also had our doubts if Ogg is a good
>>container design for video handling, thats why we started our project,
>>but we will wait until Monty will present the final Ogg Theora specs
>>before we make any comments, and for sure we would not even think of
>>using a similar language as you are doing constantly. Its unfair to
>>judge Ogg's capabilities from OGM, as this project admittedly was a
>>quick hack IMHO, made from a 'stupid DirectShow kiddie' , to use your
>>very own words, and thus very Windows centric.
>>
>>Its a pitty i wont be in the States before April, i really loved to be
>>together with some Xiph people when they are talking to you,
>>contributing some good old, handmade Bavarian arguments. You should
>>learn, and hopefully soon, that it can be painful to insult other
>>people and their work .... in a real life !!!!
>>
>>no regards
>>
>>Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>P.S. Explanation for Xiph people : He has been doing the very same
>>with other projects on the mplayer-dev-eng ML, and repeatedly, most
>>notably without even having understood the basics of the specs in most
>>cases. Sorry for the ranting on a public mailing list, but enough is
>>enough.
>>
>>P.P.S. And please, dont swob their new MPCF ( MPlayer Container Format
>>) with our old MCF project, they have nothing in common and its mere
>>coincidence that both sound similar.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>> Moritz Bunkus <moritz at bunkus.org>, spyder at wiesneronline.net,
>> Ludovic 'BlackSun' Vialle <blacksun at corecodec.com>,
>> betaboy at corecodec.com
>> Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis tracks in QT files
>> References: <1047571362.3e70aba2384fe at imp.free.fr>
>> <Pine.LNX.4.50.0303131743110.6971-100000 at purple.cs.nott.ac.uk>
>> <20030314060705.GB27429 at brightrain.aerifal.cx>
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>> D Richard Felker III wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:26:21PM +0000, Mark Hills wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I tried to bind the 'OggS' 4CC to the vorbis codec in mov.c, but
>>>>> it doesn't seem to like it... anyway, in QuickTime AFAIK the
>>>>> vorbis track
>>>>> is embeded in an Ogg container... so we have those alternatives:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The example you give from Cinerlerra is the only time I've ever seen
>>>> Vorbis audio as a track in a .mov file. And if it's already put in
>>>> an Ogg
>>>> container, then I'd argue that that's not really the right way to
>>>> go about
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cinelerra is total broken crap. This is NOT the proper way to put
>>> vorbis audio in a movie. Instead, you should just put a raw vorbis
>>> stream there for audio, no ogg nonsense. The ogg container format is
>>> horrible enough by itself without trying to put it inside yet another
>>> ugly container (quicktime).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Ogg container provides sync and seeking to a set of packets,
>>>> regardless of codec. I'm not familiar with .mov files, but
>>>> presumably they
>>>> provide similar features. You can encode and decode Vorbis audio
>>>> without
>>>> any need for the Ogg container if you're that way inclined. So I
>>>> don't see
>>>> why there's any need for Ogg to be involved in this case. Unless
>>>> anyone
>>>> could explain otherwise.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Because the author is a stupid and lame. Same reason why none of his
>>> software compiles right from source... Speaking of which, he doesn't
>>> understand the GPL since he makes you click a stupid "AGREE" thing
>>> before downloading source.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On a separate note, what do people think of the idea of using the Ogg
>>>> container to store Vorbis audio and some kind of libavcodec supported
>>>> video format? Whether the xiph.org crew would approve until they
>>>> get their
>>>> Tarkin codec going, and whether MPlayer support or otherwise would
>>>> follow
>>>> is anyone's guess, but it seems like a reasonable idea. Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's been done and it works, but it's not good. The ogg container is
>>> just a horrible design. Read all the mplayer-dev-eng archives
>>> regarding "new container format"/MPCF for lots of discussion on the
>>> matter. Soon the draft for our new spec will be complete and then we
>>> can store (wonderful) vorbis audio without the (crappy) ogg container,
>>> as standalone audio files or in movie files.
>>> Rich
>>>
>>
>>
>> Felker, whats your problem ? I can normally smell a wanker if i meet
>> one, even in the internet. I have no idea why my sensors were failing on
>> you in first instance, probably because you are hiding your stupid and
>> immatured insulting behind technical argumentation. In the end you're
>> nothing but a poor, socially handicapped person, unable for normal
>> communication and hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
>> Somebody pay this guy a psychologist, he needs one desperately.
>>
>> You feel this mailing list is your 'private area' and you can insult
>> people and their work here at will ? Well, this ML has a public archive
>> accessible via HTTP, and everybody can subscribe to it and read your
>> comments, so this thinking is complete BS.
>>
>> Core developer or not, i fail to understand how the other developers of
>> both the FFMPEG and the mplayer projects can tolerate your behaviour.
>> You are throwing mud on the projects you are contributing to when
>> behaving like this, and that means their work is put into the dirt
>> and miscredited also.
>>
>> I am copying this email to the Vorbis user list, and i sincerely hope
>> some brave Xiph zealot people living in the States succeeds to find
>> out your real life adress and has a word with you about the very
>> necessary
>> respect for Monty's work. We also had our doubts if Ogg is a good
>> container design for video handling, thats why we started our
>> project, but we will wait until Monty will present the final Ogg
>> Theora specs before we make any comments, and for sure we would not
>> even think of using a similar language as you are doing constantly.
>> Its unfair to judge Ogg's capabilities from OGM, as this project
>> admittedly was a quick hack IMHO, made from a 'stupid DirectShow
>> kiddie' , to use your very own words, and thus very Windows centric.
>>
>> Its a pitty i wont be in the States before April, i really loved to be
>> together with some Xiph people when they are talking to you,
>> contributing some good old, handmade Bavarian arguments. You should
>> learn, and hopefully soon, that it can be painful to insult other
>> people and their work .... in a real life !!!!
>>
>> no regards
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S. Explanation for Xiph people : He has been doing the very same
>> with other projects on the mplayer-dev-eng ML, and repeatedly, most
>> notably without even having understood the basics of the specs in
>> most cases. Sorry for the ranting on a public mailing list, but
>> enough is enough.
>>
>> P.P.S. And please, dont swob their new MPCF ( MPlayer Container
>> Format ) with our old MCF project, they have nothing in common and
>> its mere coincidence that both sound similar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> Re: Ogg Vorbis tracks in QT files
>> From:
>> Christian HJ Wiesner <chris at wiesneronline.net>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:14:26 +0100
>> To:
>> ffmpeg-devel at lists.sourceforge.net, vorbis at xiph.org
>>
>>
>> D Richard Felker III wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:26:21PM +0000, Mark Hills wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I tried to bind the 'OggS' 4CC to the vorbis codec in mov.c, but
>>>>> it doesn't seem to like it... anyway, in QuickTime AFAIK the
>>>>> vorbis track
>>>>> is embeded in an Ogg container... so we have those alternatives:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The example you give from Cinerlerra is the only time I've ever seen
>>>> Vorbis audio as a track in a .mov file. And if it's already put in
>>>> an Ogg
>>>> container, then I'd argue that that's not really the right way to
>>>> go about
>>>> things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cinelerra is total broken crap. This is NOT the proper way to put
>>> vorbis audio in a movie. Instead, you should just put a raw vorbis
>>> stream there for audio, no ogg nonsense. The ogg container format is
>>> horrible enough by itself without trying to put it inside yet another
>>> ugly container (quicktime).
>>>
>>>> The Ogg container provides sync and seeking to a set of packets,
>>>> regardless of codec. I'm not familiar with .mov files, but
>>>> presumably they
>>>> provide similar features. You can encode and decode Vorbis audio
>>>> without
>>>> any need for the Ogg container if you're that way inclined. So I
>>>> don't see
>>>> why there's any need for Ogg to be involved in this case. Unless
>>>> anyone
>>>> could explain otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Because the author is a stupid and lame. Same reason why none of his
>>> software compiles right from source... Speaking of which, he doesn't
>>> understand the GPL since he makes you click a stupid "AGREE" thing
>>> before downloading source.
>>>
>>>> On a separate note, what do people think of the idea of using the Ogg
>>>> container to store Vorbis audio and some kind of libavcodec supported
>>>> video format? Whether the xiph.org crew would approve until they
>>>> get their
>>>> Tarkin codec going, and whether MPlayer support or otherwise would
>>>> follow
>>>> is anyone's guess, but it seems like a reasonable idea. Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's been done and it works, but it's not good. The ogg container is
>>> just a horrible design. Read all the mplayer-dev-eng archives
>>> regarding "new container format"/MPCF for lots of discussion on the
>>> matter. Soon the draft for our new spec will be complete and then we
>>> can store (wonderful) vorbis audio without the (crappy) ogg container,
>>> as standalone audio files or in movie files.
>>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> Felker, whats your problem ? I can normally smell a wanker if i meet
>> one, even in the internet. I have no idea why my sensors were failing on
>> you in first instance, probably because you are hiding your stupid and
>> immatured insulting behind technical argumentation. In the end you're
>> nothing but a poor, socially handicapped person, unable for normal
>> communication and hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
>> Somebody pay this guy a psychologist, he needs one desperately.
>>
>> You feel this mailing list is your 'private area' and you can insult
>> people and their work here at will ? Well, this ML has a public archive
>> accessible via HTTP, and everybody can subscribe to it and read your
>> comments, so this thinking is complete BS.
>>
>> Core developer or not, i fail to understand how the other developers of
>> both the FFMPEG and the mplayer projects can tolerate your behaviour.
>> You are throwing mud on the projects you are contributing to when
>> behaving like this, and that means their work is put into the dirt
>> and miscredited also.
>>
>> I am copying this email to the Vorbis user list, and i sincerely hope
>> some brave Xiph zealot people living in the States succeeds to find
>> out your real life adress and has a word with you about the very
>> necessary
>> respect for Monty's work. We also had our doubts if Ogg is a good
>> container design for video handling, thats why we started our
>> project, but we will wait until Monty will present the final Ogg
>> Theora specs before we make any comments, and for sure we would not
>> even think of using a similar language as you are doing constantly.
>> Its unfair to judge Ogg's capabilities from OGM, as this project
>> admittedly was a quick hack IMHO, made from a 'stupid DirectShow
>> kiddie' , to use your very own words, and thus very Windows centric.
>>
>> Its a pitty i wont be in the States before April, i really loved to be
>> together with some Xiph people when they are talking to you,
>> contributing some good old, handmade Bavarian arguments. You should
>> learn, and hopefully soon, that it can be painful to insult other
>> people and their work .... in a real life !!!!
>>
>> no regards
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S. Explanation for Xiph people : He has been doing the very same
>> with other projects on the mplayer-dev-eng ML, and repeatedly, most
>> notably without even having understood the basics of the specs in
>> most cases. Sorry for the ranting on a public mailing list, but
>> enough is enough.
>>
>> P.P.S. And please, dont swob their new MPCF ( MPlayer Container
>> Format ) with our old MCF project, they have nothing in common and
>> its mere coincidence that both sound similar.
>>
>
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