[vorbis] Re: Please confirm your message

Glendon Gross gross at netbsd.xinetd.com
Mon Jun 2 18:29:19 PDT 2003



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> Subject: Re: [vorbis] Re: Quoting (OT)
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> I have a question for you.  If I want to write a vorbis client from scratch,
> should it attempt to read the input file from start to finish, or should it
> attempt to start at the end first
> in order to use statistical analysis to optimize the conversion process?  I have
> been playing
> around with oggenc and ogg123 and enjoying the way my music sounds, but I can't
> help thinking about how nice it would be to have a portable device that plays my
> ogg vorbis files.  :)
>
> In other words, should I "top-post" my input file to the algorithm, or should the
> algorithm
> "bottom-post" it in order to optimize the decompression algorithm?
>
> Also, does anyone have a recommendation for an existing *nix client for
> "streaming ogg-vorbis" files other than
> xmms, which I like?  I just used oggasm to convert my entire .MP3 collection to
> ogg-vorbis.
>
> :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Glendon Gross
> thrilled ogg-vorbis advocate
>
> Lorenzo Prince wrote:
>
> > > With properly quoted messages (*not* bottom- or top- posted, but inline
> > > posted), this makes it really easy to read and follow conversation.
> > I agree.  Inline quoting is the best way to go.  You tackle one topic of
> > the discussion at a time, quoting each part of the message and responding
> > to it individually.  This makes it easier all around.
> > > Top-posted (and on a bit smaller scale, bottom-posted) messages cripple
> > > this, since you have to jump up and down to see what the poster is
> > > referring to.
> > I don't, however, see how bottom-posted messages are less crippling to the
> > ability to follow a conversation.  Personally, I think it is just redicus
> > to have to scroll past a whole screen of a message I just read, most
> > likely not even 2 minutes ago.  I would rather see a top-posted message,
> > because I don't have to read the same message 3 or more times just to try
> > to find the answer I was looking for under all that.  If you don't want to
> > inline quote, it is better to top-post.  It is easier on both the sender
> > and the reader.  I will stress, however, that inline quoting is by far the
> > better choice.
> >
> > Lorenzo
> > -----
> > Personally, I think my choice in the mostest-superlative-computer wars has to
> > be the HP-48 series of calculators.  They'll run almost anything.  And if they
> > can't, while I'll just plug a Linux box into the serial port and load up the
> > HP-48 VT-100 emulator.
> >         -- Jeff Dege, jdege at winternet.com
> >
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> Subject: Re: [vorbis] Re: Quoting (OT)
> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:13:52 -0700
> From: Glendon Gross <gross at netbsd.xinetd.com>
> Organization: Xinetd Communications
> To: vorbis at xiph.org
> References: <3ED9F648.2080203 at lala.ath.cx>
>      <000a01c32840$703cda00$65c15dd5 at HWim> <3EDA4188.5050204 at lala.ath.cx>
>      <3EDA83F1.5070309 at greens.org> <000801c32895$02a34b00$28c0c0c0 at Home>
>      <Pine.LNX.4.53.0306021912200.498 at princenet.sytes.net>
>
> I have a question for you.  If I want to write a vorbis client from scratch,
> should it attempt to read the input file from start to finish, or should it
> attempt to start at the end first
> in order to use statistical analysis to optimize the conversion process?  I have
> been playing
> around with oggenc and ogg123 and enjoying the way my music sounds, but I can't
> help thinking about how nice it would be to have a portable device that plays my
> ogg vorbis files.  :)
>
> In other words, should I "top-post" my input file to the algorithm, or should the
> algorithm
> "bottom-post" it in order to optimize the decompression algorithm?
>
> Also, does anyone have a recommendation for an existing *nix client for
> "streaming ogg-vorbis" files other than
> xmms, which I like?  I just used oggasm to convert my entire .MP3 collection to
> ogg-vorbis.
>
> :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Glendon Gross
> thrilled ogg-vorbis advocate
>
> Lorenzo Prince wrote:
>
> > > With properly quoted messages (*not* bottom- or top- posted, but inline
> > > posted), this makes it really easy to read and follow conversation.
> > I agree.  Inline quoting is the best way to go.  You tackle one topic of
> > the discussion at a time, quoting each part of the message and responding
> > to it individually.  This makes it easier all around.
> > > Top-posted (and on a bit smaller scale, bottom-posted) messages cripple
> > > this, since you have to jump up and down to see what the poster is
> > > referring to.
> > I don't, however, see how bottom-posted messages are less crippling to the
> > ability to follow a conversation.  Personally, I think it is just redicus
> > to have to scroll past a whole screen of a message I just read, most
> > likely not even 2 minutes ago.  I would rather see a top-posted message,
> > because I don't have to read the same message 3 or more times just to try
> > to find the answer I was looking for under all that.  If you don't want to
> > inline quote, it is better to top-post.  It is easier on both the sender
> > and the reader.  I will stress, however, that inline quoting is by far the
> > better choice.
> >
> > Lorenzo
> > -----
> > Personally, I think my choice in the mostest-superlative-computer wars has to
> > be the HP-48 series of calculators.  They'll run almost anything.  And if they
> > can't, while I'll just plug a Linux box into the serial port and load up the
> > HP-48 VT-100 emulator.
> >         -- Jeff Dege, jdege at winternet.com
> >
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