[vorbis] changes at pan.zipcon

[al goldstein]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Nathan I. Sharfi wrote:

Ok Nathan, I'm convinced;I'd like to see it rewritten by someone who
knows what they are doing.  Thanks.
...........Al

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, al goldstein wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the Mac stuff I'll put in. Also any amplification that might make
> > it easier for users.
> >
> > I've changed the objected parts of MP3.Readme to:
> >
> > "If you are interested in free music you should get ogg files.
> > Ogg sounds better than mp3 at the same bitrate."
> >
> > > A few other random comments:
> > >
> > > In http://pan.zipcon.net/Windows/programs/index.html:
> > > Would you consider removing everything in there except for for zinf and
> > > unzip? They're all ancient and one can get more readable information from
> > > elsewhere.
> >
> > Please supply where and I'll replace them.
>
> http://pan.zipcon.net/Windows/programs/oggwin.txt is completely unnecessary
> since winamp2 comes with the Vorbis plugin unless you install the most
> stripped-down version available. No replacement needed.
>
> oggwinamp.zip is similarly redundant.
>
> The most recent version of Zinf for Windows is available at
> http://zinf.sourceforge.net/download.php ; it's at version 2.2.1. Since it's
> GPL'd, you'll need to mirror the source along with the binaries.
>
> As I mentioned earlier, wget is available from
> http://space.tin.it/computer/hherold/ . You may want to mention that your
> visitors will also need to drop the SSL libs alongside wget when they drop
> it into C:\bin or wherever.
>
> > I value your help Nathan, I think you would certainly improve things.
> > I am very green at this kind of publication inspite of being a "geezer".
> > I possibly made the mistake of organizing things around the record
> > publication list. Contrib was added for new stuff not in the original
> > recordings.  It might make sense to drop that structure.
> >
> > The more recent additions are the result of people telling me they don't know
> > how to get and play the files. The question is: what level of competence does
> > one aim at?
>
> Depends. Your first recommendation to Windows users *is* a command-line
> tool. Certainly a useful skill to have, but at the same time, probably
> completely foreign to most Windows users. I'd suggest Leech, but it didn't
> seem to work.
>
> One thing that I find baffling is that you seem to rely on hard-to-read text
> files when you're running a web server. Have you given some thought to my
> offer to rewrite your documentation? A decent file explaining the directory
> structure or similar tools
> (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_autoindex.html#adddescription seems
> like a useful tool) would help confuse your visitors less.
>
> > > You have an awful lot of ancillary files; I'd suggest condensing them into
> > > one well-structured HTML file that'll save your guests a lot of
> > > bumbling-around time.  If you want me to write it, let me know.
> > >
> > > http://pan.zipcon.net/Ogg/MP3.readme, unfortunately, deserves the Xiph.Org
> > > Less Wise than True Award:
>
> By the way, http://pan.zipcon.net/MP3-MP3-NOTICE also suffers from this.
>
> > > """
> > > If you are interested in free music you should get ogg files which are not
> > > commercial. Mp3 is connected to the software industry as is also to
> > > Microsoft.
> > > We can live without them.
> > > """
> > >
> > > Let's take this one at a time...
> > >
> > >
> > > "If you are interested in free music you should get ogg files"
> > >
> > > There's nothing particularly special about files that use Ogg; Ogg Vorbis
> > > and FLAC are where the action is. Ogg is just a multimedia container.
>
> Let me rephrase that a bit differently.
>
> What you refer to as "Ogg" files are much better described as "Ogg Vorbis"
> files. Ogg is *merely* a multimedia container format; Vorbis is the
> compression codec.
>
> What makes this a point worth belaboring is that you're not really saying
> a whole lot about a particular file by calling it an "Ogg file"; there's
> currently Ogg Vorbis, Ogg FLAC (though these are to be avoided due to poor
> library support), and Ogg Speex files out there. Not to mention "ogm" files
> and upcoming Ogg Theora files. As such, I'm asking that you refine your
> speech so that you're not accidentally confusing people when they come
> across "ogg" files that have no traces of Vorbis in them.
>
> Or give me a green light to write this stuff up in one HTML file that'll
> replace all the confusing little notes you have strewn over pan.
>
> Incidentally, I'd toss /wget/, /Mac/, and  /Windows/ into a new directory
> called /tools/. More logical that way, IMO.
>
> Nathan
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