[vorbis] changes at pan.zipcon

[Nathan I. Sharfi]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, al goldstein wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Nathan I. Sharfi wrote:
>
> Thanks Nathan, I've added your references. The reason for mp3 is that it just
> started out that way, and that more understand what mp3 is than ogg. However
> changing mp3 to audio is an improvement, although it could wreck updates with
> wget if someone was unaware.
>
> Help for Windows and Mac users is essential if ogg is to flourish.
> It's much easier for Linux and Unix users.
>
> Are there any Mac users of ogg? If so, we need there help. Are there free
> programs for ogg decode for any versions of OS X?
>
> ..........Al

I use a Mac.

FIAS: Frogg (http://www.poweredbyg.nu/frogg/)
FIAB: {}
non-free: Audion (http://www.panic.com/audion/),
          MacAmp (http://www.macamp.com/)

Unfortunately, Frogg is, er, how to say...wanting for features; it doesn't
play more than one file at a time.

Not that I am bitter.

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A few other random comments:

In http://pan.zipcon.net/Windows/programs/index.html:
Would you consider removing everything in there except for for zinf and
unzip? They're all ancient and one can get more readable information from
elsewhere.

What's "sdin"? If it's not something any of us need, delete it. At any rate,
it's probably being served up as the wrong mime type. I think it's an ELF
binary, in which case it really shouldn't be there. Similarly for /blurbs/.

You have an awful lot of ancillary files; I'd suggest condensing them into
one well-structured HTML file that'll save your guests a lot of
bumbling-around time.  If you want me to write it, let me know.

http://pan.zipcon.net/Ogg/MP3.readme, unfortunately, deserves the Xiph.Org
Less Wise than True Award:

"""
If you are interested in free music you should get ogg files which are not
commercial. Mp3 is connected to the software industry as is also to
Microsoft.
We can live without them.
"""

Let's take this one at a time...

<p>"If you are interested in free music you should get ogg files"

There's nothing particularly special about files that use Ogg; Ogg Vorbis
and FLAC are where the action is. Ogg is just a multimedia container.

"ogg files which are not commercial"

What do you mean by this?

"Mp3 is connected to the software industry"

God forbid. Of all the reasons to avoid MP3, this has to be near the bottom.
I see nothing wrong with having a software industry; I have friends that are
both in it and want to get into it. If you want a few reasons to avoid MP3
files, toss out stuff like this:

- "The MP3 format is patent-encumbered, and the license fees that FhG
charge drive up the cost of software and hardware that use MP3."

- "MP3 files sound worse than Ogg Vorbis files at the same bitrate."

- "Every time you download an MP3 file when there's an Ogg Vorbis file
available, God kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens."

"...as is also to Microsoft"

Hardly; Microsoft only provides MP3 _de_coders in Windows Media Player. All
the encoders that ship with it compress to WMA.

<p>
---
	Nathan

<p>> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, al goldstein wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > 1)   A table of contents is in "LIST."
> > > 2) The tree has had some simplification.
> > > 3) 2 directories have been added: "wget" and "Windows." These
> > > are put in to help in downloading.
> > >
> > > Corrections to false assertions and other mistakes would be greatly
> > > appreciated, as well as simplifications and improvements.
> >
> > Angry Coffee doesn't seem to have been updated in...ages.
> >
> > You can send Windows users directly to http://www.winamp.com/ for winamp2
> > (it's been updated more recently than winamp3 and has the Vorbis plugin
> > built in), http://www.foobar2000.org/, and
> > http://space.tin.it/computer/hherold/ for wget.
> >
> > Also, why do you have Vorbis files in a directory called "mp3"? Why not call
> > it "audio/"?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > 	Nathan
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