[vorbis] Interactive RC3 quality analysis graphs

Jack Moffitt jack at xiph.org
Tue Jan 22 20:02:40 PST 2002



> I'm depreciating oggchain before it even starts
> working. 

While I can see a good use for having a tool that does the equivalent of
'cat' to make chained bitstreams and can undo this (win32 doesn't have
cat, and to be fully correct you'd need to detect and redo serialno's
since you'd want cat a.ogg a.ogg a.ogg > b.ogg to be a valid bitstream),
your oggchain tool did almost nothing, and what it did do, ogginfo
already did.  Please take a little more care when creating new
directories in CVS and starting on new tools.  

> PS -- I'm worknig on oggtool, that big all-in-one Ogg file manipulator
> tool (which could very well turn out working for many other formats
> too, as I'm writing it very flexibly). Assuming it gets accepted as
> the main Ogg tool (I'm thinking everything but encoding and playback,
> but even those wouldn't be too hard to add) (and it just begs for a
> nice GUI frontend), 

First of all, an all-in-one tools goes against the Unix philosophy which
is to make the tools do one thing and do it well.

There's certainly a lot of room for improvement in the vorbis-tools
modules, but I think oggenc and ogg123 are shaping up quite nicely.

I don't really have an issue with anyone proposing and working on better
or more easy to use versions of these tools, but I have a hard time
understanding what you're trying to accomplish with 'oggtool' that isn't
already done?

In fact, I think an all-in-one tool would be harder to use, and for an
example I'll give sox.  Sox does so much, they have to have shell
scripts to do common things (ie, play) so that your average human can
get work done.

In any case, I don't want to discourage any work, but I would appreciate
some more discussion.  I'd like to know about some of these things
before the cvs list tells me :)

jack.

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