[vorbis] extremly off topic I know but since it leaked into the list anyway....

[Patrick Masters]

Apparently he doesnt. It makes it harder to stomach when you have lost
someone in this tragedy like I have and others as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vorbis at xiph.org [mailto:owner-vorbis at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
k_myers at irito.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:22 PM
To: vorbis at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [vorbis] extremly off topic I know but since it leaked into
the list anyway....

I third the motion to nuke this guy.
I am the moderator (one of them at least) of the shoutcast discussion
list... perhaps that is something I could take on here as a task? Jack??

As for this post, does this guy get at all anything that has been happening
for the past 20 years??
Anti-American Propaganda will get you no where. Take your conspiracy
theories and choke on them.

Lithium
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Masters" <pmasters at fuse.net>
To: <vorbis at xiph.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: [vorbis] extremly off topic I know but since it leaked into the
list anyway....

> what the hell? ban this crap from the list immediately. this is a
discussion
> about vorbis. it has nothing to do with the arseholes in the middle east.
> those morons will get what is coming to them, innocent or not.
>
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> From: owner-vorbis at xiph.org [mailto:owner-vorbis at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
> Randolph Carter
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:07 AM
> To: vorbis at xiph.org
> Subject: [vorbis] extremly off topic I know but since it leaked into the
> list anyway....
> Importance: High
>
>
> On the Bombings
>                                                     Noam Chomsky
>
>
>        The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may
> not reach the level of many others, for example,
>        Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext,
> destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing
>        unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked
> an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue
>        it). Not to speak of much worse cases, which easily come to mind.
> But that this was a horrendous crime is not in
>        doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people:
> janitors, secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to
>        prove to be a crushing blow to Palestinians and other poor and
> oppressed people. It is also likely to lead to
>        harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for
> undermining civil liberties and internal freedom.
>
>        The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project
> of "missile defense." As has been obvious all
>        along, and pointed out repeatedly by strategic analysts, if
> anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US,
>        including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely
> to launch a missile attack, thus guaranteeing
>        their immediate destruction. There are innumerable easier ways
> that are basically unstoppable. But today's
>        events will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure
> to develop these systems and put them into
>        place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for militarization of
> space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest
>        arguments will carry some weight among a frightened public.
>
>        In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those
> who hope to use force to control their domains.
>        That is even putting aside the likely US actions, and what they
> will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this
>        one, or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than
> they appeared to be before the latest atrocities.
>
>        As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified
> horror; we can seek to understand what may have
>        led to the crimes, which means making an effort to enter the
> minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the
>        latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to
> the words of Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge
>        and insight into affairs of the region is unmatched after many
> years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The
>        wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated
> people," he writes that "this is not the war of
>        democracy versus terror that the world will be asked to believe
> in the coming days. It is also about American
>        missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters
> firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996
>        and American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about
> a Lebanese militia ­ paid and uniformed by
>        America's Israeli ally ­ hacking and raping and murdering their
> way through refugee camps." And much more.
>        Again, we have a choice: we may try to understand, or refuse to
> do so, contributing to the likelihood that much
>        worse lies ahead.
>
>        Noam Chomsky
>
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