[vorbis-dev] Re: [vorbis] Request for Standardization: classical music TAGS

[Jonathan Walther]

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Your comment misses the point; the pop music crowd can continue to use
their tags; the existing tags are appropriate for pop music.

What I proposed is that players support display of additional tags,
specific to classical music.  This is INCLUSIONARY, not *exclusionary*
support.  POP users notice no difference.  Classical users will notice a
big difference, and plonk themselves down firmly in the camp of Ogg, instead
of mp3.

As for xmms compatibility, that is a straw man.  I will have no problem
patching xmms to display the new tags appropriately, where it runs
across them.

What I think I'm hearing from people here is "lets limit ourselves to
the tags that are available under mp3, so we can be backward
compatible".  Whew.  If I wanted backward compatible, I'd just stick
with mp3 and ignore ogg.

Fact remains, even pop music can benefit from COMPOSER and ARRANGER
tags.  Don't forget, (for the umpteenth time) the tags are OPTIONAL.
What I'm trying to standardize is

A) some extra tags are now standard for certain types of information
B) when you need to put in that kind of information, you use those tags,
   but you don't HAVE to use those tags at all

Jonathan

- --
I am working to subvert from within ...
umm ...  by writing shoddy code ... and
charging too much.

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Craig Dickson wrote:
> I don't know if you've ever heard of a program called xmms? It runs on
> Unix and is so visually similar to WinAmp that it can even use WinAmp
> skins. So anything that can be said about "How will it look on WinAmp"
> probably applies to xmms as well.
>
> However, if you really want to get into made-up-but-reasonable-sounding
> statistics, most ogg/mp3 users listen exclusively to pop music and have
> enough trouble using the standard pop music tags properly. They may not
> know the names of more than three classical composers (Bach, Mozart, and
> Beethoven being the most likely candidates, and whether they know those
> composers' first names, or can spell their surnames correctly, is
> questionable), and either wouldn't bother to, or simply couldn't,
> fulfill the requirements of a tagging system that went beyond simply
> artist/title/album. So from the same sort of faux-demographic
> perspective that you're arguing from, this whole conversation is
> irrelevant and pointless.

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