[vorbis] Re: TAG-mess

[Jonathan Walther]

On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 07:58:51PM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>| > Get a grip. If you want a normalized, comprehensive database of all
>| > classical music don't expect everyone else to build it for you.
>
>Of course, FreeDB has exactly this attitude and seems to be doing very well.

On adoption of the standard, I'm sure FreeDB will expand it's format to
allow the new tags to be included.

>| > name to the user. Stop trying to make it into the card catalog of the
>| > National Music Appreciation Society.
>| 
>| I've been trying to find a way to say this since the last thread on this
>| topic, two months or so ago. You've put it very well. Jonathan seems to
>| want this sort of distributed database where every piece of music comes
>| with its own complete record [...]
>
>He's explicitly said not. (But I do! No matter.) What he wants is:

Actually, I'm not opposed to including complete information about a
track within the file, but Monty has already said no way to things like
lyrics and liner notes being put in the tags section.  There is a
metadata stream embedded in the Ogg format which is supposed to be used
for that sort of thing.  If you are interested, maybe we could finally
(two years later) get the discussion rolling on what should go in the
metadata stream, and in what format?  I'm against XML for tags, but I'm
going to stay entirely out of the metadata discussion, and I don't care
one way or other if XML is used for it.

>I still think this is a user interface problem, not a tag scheme problem.

I agree with this too.  I have updated the latest proposal to reflect
this (few minutes ago).  Perhaps you could comment on it.

>| and then you have a program that can index
>| and search your entire collection (or, via a P2P file-sharing system,

I added a simple shell script function that can 'search the ogg
collection' to the proposal.  It is trivial.  And it doesn't depend on
filenames.

https://209.53.17.13/~djw/ogg-tags.txt

Jonathan

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