[vorbis] (Classical) Request for Standardization of expanded TAGS

[Jonathan Walther]

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:47:17AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
>You keep fantasizing about this imaginary conspiracy against classical
>music listeners. I've pointed out in the past (check your archives) that

It sure feels that way when our needs are publicly stated to be
nonexistant or inconsequential. ;)

>all tags that are meaningful for classical music are also meaningful for
>pop music.

I agree with this.

>I already know. The scheme is too complicated, the distinctions you're
>making between "performers" and "ensembles" are too subtle, and experience
>with MP3 trading proves that most users don't bother with tags, or get
>them wrong even in the simple ID3 scheme (I've seen "title" and "album"
>interchanged, and hard rock songs with "genre=disco", and just about any
>other error imaginable -- and I'm not talking about once in a blue moon,
>these are _normal_, _everyday_ things), that this has zero chance of
>having any impact beyond the microscopically small set of obsessives who
>will actually bother entering everything and checking it for accuracy.

Thats a subjective judgement.  I would say that you don't know until you
try.  As you say, people get the ID3 tags wrong even today.  Thats fine.
They can go along and get the new standardized tags wrong too.   Theres
nothing we can do to prevent it entirely, nor should we.  Let fools have
their pasture.  But for the obsessive fanatical collector crowd, we DO
need this information, and there are enough of us that it makes sense to
have the proposed standard.  For the hoi poloi this standard, if it
passes, will be an unnoticeable blip.  For collectors and people who
care about music (perhaps as much as 10%-50% of us, it will be a
godsend.  And when enough ogg's are properly marked up, people will
notice that they really prefer them, and will keep downloading till they
find the properly marked up ones, and scrap the junk ones as they now
junk mp3's with lots of hissing, jumping, and scratching in them.  It
will be a viral thing, slow at first.

But if you don't enable the initial critical mass with a standard, it
won't happen.

Jonathan

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