[vorbis] (Classical) Request for Standardization of expanded TAGS

[Jonathan Walther]

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 05:29:28PM +1300, John Morton wrote:
>If people will be too lazy to switch from ARTIST to something more specific 
>if you leave it in, what make you think they'll do the right thing if you 
>remove it? I gaurantee you everything that was in ARTIST will end up in 
>mislabled into PERFORMER instead - all you will have accomplished is to have 
>renamed ARTIST to something else and pissed of half the user population in 
>the process.  

Why would people switch FROM artist, TO something else, when artist was never
an option in the first place?  You may have oggified your whole CD
collection already, but there are hordes of people out there who have not.
They are the ones I am interested in.  You can stick to your current version
of Ogg and use all the old deprecated tags you want.

>Unless you can come up with a general tool that will transform just the right 
>substrings of the artist field of id3 and cddb to appropriate artist 
>components in your vorbiscomment proposal, then artist might as well continue 
>to live as a field. Here's a hint - you can't do it. 

You are assuming I'm targetting people who want to "convert" their
current ogg collections.  I don't.  Most people plan to re-rip when
version 1.0 comes out.  Those are the people I am targetting.

The TAG standard needs to be in place for the release of 1.0.  It
doesn't need to be required before then, but by 1.0 the main tools
should support it.

Or are you saying "make it easy for people to convert their MP3's to Ogg
format"?  Thats just wrong.  I see no need to support such a thing.

>If you want people to use these tags, you'll need to make it falling of a log 
>easy for the implementors of tag editors and players to add useful support 
>for them, and write some apps that demonstrate why more specific tags are 
>actually useful to users.
>
>If you hacked opennap to support searches by arbitary fields in oggs and 
>demonstrated the merit of this to the world by pulling up all the tracks 
>composed by Mozart or all the songs remixed by Dave Clarke, then users might
>have a reason to take the extra time tagging files. Until then, all those 
>tags are just dead weight.

You have missed the point of the proposed standard, and seem to be implying
that I think everyone should use most of them the tags most of the time.
This is false.

Jonathan

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