[vorbis] TAG-mess

[Moritz Grimm]

Jonathan Walther wrote:
> Perhaps you should read the thread (again?), and ask for clarification on
> issues that you think the standard did not address.  As your current

Don't get me wrong here, this is my opinion, no more and no less. And I
appreciate the efforts you put into this (see below).

But there are also some facts to consider:

- OGG tags shall be human readable, writeable (!), descriptive and
*small*. They're the first thing you get in a stream or an .OGG file,
e.g. the tags let you decide whether you want to download the whole file
or not. "It is meant for short, text comments, not arbitrary metadata;
arbitrary metadata belongs in a metadata stream (usually an XML stream
type)." -- http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html

- Every average user would need software support to handle all the tags
and to prevent wrong tagging. I, for example, tag all my OGGs on-the-fly
with one big oggenc command line. This would become impossible with this
huge, complex load of standard tags.

<highly_subjective>
Your theoretical ogg123 output is really scary, too. I mean, in the end
it's about music, right? I don't listen to music with my eyes.
</highly_subjective>

What you want is coming too early. You want metadata in OGG files, but
that's a feature coming up ... the tags were, and hopefully never will
be used for that. XML is perfect in describing data, using comment tags
for that is not what we want. I don't think there are any issues your
standard doesn't address, as it goes completely in the wrong direction,
imo.

No doubt, your standard, as an 1-to-1 translation to XML, used in the
meta-data stream, could work out perfectly. That's why I don't think
that your work was useless or so, it will simply not work the way you
initially thought it would.

> email stands, it shows such lack of clue, and contains so many false and
> outrageous statements that I'm afraid to reply to it.

This makes no sense.

<p>Moritz


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