[theora] NHW Project - some update

Raphael Canut nhwcodec at gmail.com
Tue Jul 10 21:08:43 UTC 2018

Hello Dave,

Thank you very much again to believe in the NHW Project and spend some of
your precious time in the help of the project! This is much appreciated!

I know it will be very very difficult, and even a Theora forum member
answered me few months ago that it is totally impossible that a company
uses my codec in their mobile phones, and I tend to share that opinion.

For now, and it's great, their is a study to replace MotionJPEG with the
NHW Project for low power processors -that don't have enough power for

But again Dave, if you would have any advice, if you could indicate me a
person/company to contact but I know it's extremely difficult, it would be
so much exceptional!

Many thanks again for your consideration Sir!
Best regards,

2018-07-10 22:25 GMT+02:00 Dave Johnson Games <davefilms.us at gmail.com>:

> You're welcome!
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:50 AM Raphael Canut <nhwcodec at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Dave,
>> Thank you very much for your help!
>> Cheers,
>> Raphael
>> 2018-07-10 9:39 GMT+02:00 Dave Johnson Games <davefilms.us at gmail.com>:
>>> Let me do some looking.
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018, 4:55 PM Raphael Canut <nhwcodec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Dave!
>>>> Thank you very much for your answer!
>>>> You're right.I have thought that the new next-generation codecs like
>>>> JVET (MPEG) VVC, AOM AV1, XVC will be too computational-intensive for
>>>> mobile phones.So the de facto codecs for mobiles devices are H.264 and
>>>> HEVC, I thought that my codec that is royalty-free and a lot faster could
>>>> move the lines, but you're right Apple is "attached" to MPEG and Google and
>>>> the others are "attached" to AOM.
>>>> > Look to Asia
>>>> I am always very attracted by new opportunities for my NHW Project! But
>>>> don't you think there will be a problem of compatibility? For example a
>>>> brand wants to use the NHW Project in its new mobile phone, but what will
>>>> happen if the NHW Project is not supported by web browsers?
>>>> Anyway, I am very interested to look to Asia, would you have some
>>>> advice?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Raphael
>>>> 2018-07-09 23:33 GMT+02:00 Dave Johnson Games <davefilms.us at gmail.com>:
>>>>> I think Apple is somehow "attached" to the MPEG group. They control
>>>>> the "pools" too. Your codec sounds great. Google could -- if they wanted to
>>>>> -- use it but they have Web^M and webP. Look to Asia. Asus has just
>>>>> launched a new phone. ??
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018, 3:14 PM Raphael Canut <nhwcodec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I don't have advanced on the NHW Project this past month, but I have
>>>>>> definitely validated its characteristics and this new version.
>>>>>> The NHW Codec preserves or enhances image neatness and sharpness,
>>>>>> which translates that on good quality images the NHW Codec is globally
>>>>>> better than HEVC, and on degraded (with blur, artifacts) images it is worse
>>>>>> than HEVC because it lacks of precision. I have made tests on 100 images
>>>>>> from the Internet.
>>>>>> The NHW Project still lacks very high compression, and I think now I
>>>>>> will inspire from HEVC, that is to say, I would like to strongly remove
>>>>>> details and preserve the contours, edges. It is not that easy to code, and
>>>>>> again any help would be very very welcome! Again if you can provide any
>>>>>> help to the NHW Project, do not hesitate to show up, would be so much
>>>>>> appreciated!!!
>>>>>> The NHW codec has a high speed, which makes it a good candidate for
>>>>>> mobile, embedded devices.There are currently some exploration for a
>>>>>> MotionJPEG replacement on low power processor (dual-core 240MHz Xtensa LX6)
>>>>>> where MotionJPEG appears to be too heavyweight.
>>>>>> With the recent updates, I think the NHW Project is still patent-free
>>>>>> and royalty-free. And just the fact that it is royalty-free, should be
>>>>>> worth the try.
>>>>>> So with this new version, I hope the NHW Project could attract a
>>>>>> company that would like to sponsorize the project (to adapt the codec to
>>>>>> any size of image for example).
>>>>>> Very quickly to finish, I have seen that on the Theora mailing list
>>>>>> there are employees from big companies.This can be indiscreet and very
>>>>>> impolite, but for example there are 2 employees from Apple who are on the
>>>>>> Theora channel mailing list... Does Apple can be interested in such a codec
>>>>>> as the NHW Project? If not, what does it lack to be of interest? Would you
>>>>>> have some advice?
>>>>>> Many thanks again!
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Raphael
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