[theora] NHW Project - some update

Raphael Canut nhwcodec at gmail.com
Tue Jul 10 09:50:37 UTC 2018

Hello Dave,

Thank you very much for your help!


2018-07-10 9:39 GMT+02:00 Dave Johnson Games <davefilms.us at gmail.com>:

> Let me do some looking.
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018, 4:55 PM Raphael Canut <nhwcodec at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Dave!
>> Thank you very much for your answer!
>> You're right.I have thought that the new next-generation codecs like JVET
>> (MPEG) VVC, AOM AV1, XVC will be too computational-intensive for mobile
>> phones.So the de facto codecs for mobiles devices are H.264 and HEVC, I
>> thought that my codec that is royalty-free and a lot faster could move the
>> lines, but you're right Apple is "attached" to MPEG and Google and the
>> others are "attached" to AOM.
>> > Look to Asia
>> I am always very attracted by new opportunities for my NHW Project! But
>> don't you think there will be a problem of compatibility? For example a
>> brand wants to use the NHW Project in its new mobile phone, but what will
>> happen if the NHW Project is not supported by web browsers?
>> Anyway, I am very interested to look to Asia, would you have some advice?
>> Cheers,
>> Raphael
>> 2018-07-09 23:33 GMT+02:00 Dave Johnson Games <davefilms.us at gmail.com>:
>>> I think Apple is somehow "attached" to the MPEG group. They control the
>>> "pools" too. Your codec sounds great. Google could -- if they wanted to --
>>> use it but they have Web^M and webP. Look to Asia. Asus has just launched a
>>> new phone. ??
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018, 3:14 PM Raphael Canut <nhwcodec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I don't have advanced on the NHW Project this past month, but I have
>>>> definitely validated its characteristics and this new version.
>>>> The NHW Codec preserves or enhances image neatness and sharpness, which
>>>> translates that on good quality images the NHW Codec is globally better
>>>> than HEVC, and on degraded (with blur, artifacts) images it is worse than
>>>> HEVC because it lacks of precision. I have made tests on 100 images from
>>>> the Internet.
>>>> The NHW Project still lacks very high compression, and I think now I
>>>> will inspire from HEVC, that is to say, I would like to strongly remove
>>>> details and preserve the contours, edges. It is not that easy to code, and
>>>> again any help would be very very welcome! Again if you can provide any
>>>> help to the NHW Project, do not hesitate to show up, would be so much
>>>> appreciated!!!
>>>> The NHW codec has a high speed, which makes it a good candidate for
>>>> mobile, embedded devices.There are currently some exploration for a
>>>> MotionJPEG replacement on low power processor (dual-core 240MHz Xtensa LX6)
>>>> where MotionJPEG appears to be too heavyweight.
>>>> With the recent updates, I think the NHW Project is still patent-free
>>>> and royalty-free. And just the fact that it is royalty-free, should be
>>>> worth the try.
>>>> So with this new version, I hope the NHW Project could attract a
>>>> company that would like to sponsorize the project (to adapt the codec to
>>>> any size of image for example).
>>>> Very quickly to finish, I have seen that on the Theora mailing list
>>>> there are employees from big companies.This can be indiscreet and very
>>>> impolite, but for example there are 2 employees from Apple who are on the
>>>> Theora channel mailing list... Does Apple can be interested in such a codec
>>>> as the NHW Project? If not, what does it lack to be of interest? Would you
>>>> have some advice?
>>>> Many thanks again!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Raphael
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