[theora] Fwd: [videoblogging] Re: Fwd: Opera proposed Theora for
native video playback in browsers
alenl-ml at croteam.com
Thu Mar 8 12:07:51 PST 2007
Yet another Linux encoder won't help - GUI or not. A lot of video
production is done on Windows and in tools that people already know
how to use and have invested money into (Vegas, AfterEffects, etc...).
Theora needs a way to encode directly from them, just like all other
major formats (wmv, avi,...) can do. Or at least a way to frameserve
Thursday, March 8, 2007, 12:30:05 AM, you wrote:
> Theora needs a nice GUI encoder.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Steve Watkins <steve at dvmachine.com>
> Date: Mar 7, 2007 12:22 PM
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Fwd: Opera proposed Theora for native
> video playback in browsers
> That is interesting news. I always go on about mpeg4 and h264 as if
> they are the ideal, wheras in an ideal world something like ogg theora
> would be the most worthwhile format to support - being open and
> unburdened by much intellectual property horror.
> In practice I rarely respond when you mention this sort of stuff, only
> because such things hav not gained widespread popular support from the
> majority of users who are on windows or os x. Having dabbled with
> Linux I presume that most Linux users are used to having to put in
> some extra effort to think about these things, and choose open
> formats. If only the same enthusiasm could be transferred over to
> people on other paltforms.
> There desnt seem to be much of a problem with playing back theora
> files on OSX or Windows, as VLC and some other apps can play it, and
> quicktime & directshow stuff are available to enable playback within
> those systems. There does seem to be a lack of nice easy well-known
> encoder applications with proper GUI. The masses arent going to use
> command line tools, so where are the developers to bridge the gap? I
> tried to use VLC on the mac to encode, using its ability to transcode,
> but I only got the audio in the resulting ogg file, the video went
> missing somewhere. I will try again sometime.
> Anyway I support strongly the idea of video being built into a future
> HTML spec, and being supported as standard in browsers. I There could
> be problems if peoplew ont use the format till all browsers support
> it, if microsoft or apple dont want to play ball, they will only be
> forced to if sites use and expect such features and it helps drive
> more people to firefox or opera. But will sites use such a format if
> others like flash are well established already? Anyway I hope this
> initiative leads to something.
> I suppose the other issue I could have is how rich the control of the
> video is within the page. Need to be able to do things like report
> clever stuff (that can currently be done in flash) such as video
> conversations linked off timeline, are to be achieved using the
> built-in video feature.
> Returning to Theora as a whole, my other issue is with hardware
> playback & recording support, and the chances of it being used on
> mobile phones etc. Its still too early to tell quite how big an issue
> these things are, has to catch on with the masses, but mpeg4 and
> friends are looking fairly entrenched on these platforms so far.
> Steve Elbows
> --- In videoblogging at yahoogroups.com, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux"
> <supercanadian at ...> wrote:
>> Awesome news!
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Luis Gonzalez <ghempresa at ...>
>> Date: Mar 5, 2007 2:23 PM
>> Subject: [theora] Opera proposed Theora for native video playback in
>> To: theora at ...
>> Hi ,
>> I see this news in Opera website :
>> I think this is a good news for Theora Team and also a greater news
> if video
>> tag becomes true.
>> This extract of the website is incredible :
>> 'One thing to keep in mind that adding native support for Theora in
>> would only add about 300K to Opera's overall size! And I am sure
> that could
>> even be optimized to reduce it even further.'
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