[theora-dev] [OT] Just saying hi!

[Dan Miller]

It's not a bad idea (and I think something like that was in previous versions of the code), but at this point I can't recommend any bitstream changes for version 1.0.  Regardless of how simple it sounds, it would require reasonably extensive testing with a modified encoder to be considered stable.

<p> ___  Dan Miller
(++,) Founder, CTO, On2 Technologies 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph Lampert [mailto:chl at math.uni-bonn.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: theora-dev at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [theora-dev] [OT] Just saying hi!
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> this thread has passed away long ago, but I just came up with an small
> idea I'd like to ask you about: 
> 
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Mike Melanson wrote:
> > * Golden frame: VP3 calls its keyframes "golden frames". 
> The codec needs
> > to maintain the last golden frame in addition to the 
> previous decoded
> > frame since motion vectors can be predicted from either.
> 
> Why did you fix this to be the last keyframe? The image could/will be
> outdated after a few moving frames, and then never be useful again. 
> 
> Instead it might be helpful to let the encoder decide which 
> frame should
> be put into this extra buffer. A one bit flag in bitstream (or
> different header ID) could tell that the current frame should replace
> previous golden frame when it would normally be discarded. 
> E.g. sometimes it might be helpful to always buffer the last 
> 2 frames, 
> or to have a frame from about 1 second ago available, to reconstruct
> background behind moving objects. 
> It's perfectly simple to be made backwards compatible (if the flag is
> never set, only the keyframes are buffered), it's no waste of bits, 
> the decoder doesn't have to be changed much (essentially one extra
> memcpy), and if the encoder doesn't know about it, it doesn't matter,
> either, everything stays as it is now. 
> But if the encoder is clever, it might really save some bitrate. 
> Later versions can extend it to n buffers (FIFO style), again without
> extra overhead, except for mildly higher memory consumption. 
> 
> Christoph
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