[theora-dev] Re: Ogg Internet Drafts - create application/ogg-vorbis, application/ogg-tarkin, etc.

[Aaron Krill]

I noticed that the subject of this discussion is about creating seperate
ogg-vorbis and ogg-tarkin mime types. In case this is actually still the
topic, here is my opinion on why you shouldn't create seperate types. If it
isn't, ignore me.

If i'm correct, Ogg is a multimedia container capable of carrying multiple
datastreams with pretty much any format. So you could have a whole DVD,
including the special features in seperate video streams (whether it's
MPEG-2, Tarkin, or Theora, it doesnt matter), different languages in
different vorbis audio streams (Doesn't matter what format here either). You
could have a Quicktimevideo stream with a Speex audio stream, right? If each
data stream has a few bytes defining what format it is, which I believe it
does, then have the player figure out which data streams are what formats
and what is what. Or, if you are going to create different mime-types, dont
make them format specific... make them type specific, such as ogg-video or
ogg-audio.

That's my rant...

--Aaron--

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From: owner-theora-dev at xiph.org [mailto:owner-theora-dev at xiph.org]On
Behalf Of Conrad Parker
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 06:43 PM
To: theora-dev at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [theora-dev] Re: Ogg Internet Drafts - create
application/ogg-vorbis, application/ogg-tarkin, etc.

<p>On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:32:21PM +1100, Conrad Parker wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 04:02:29PM -0500, Arc wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 09:49:55PM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote:
> > > Any disagreements, please draft your own Internet Drafts and add to
the
> > > IETF repository and we'll weigh them against each other and have a
chat
> > > with considered parties.
> >
> > The "considered parties" are the developers.  application/x-ogg has
> > become the standard and has proven itself to be efficient and useful.
> >
> > Does this mean that there is not going to be an application for
> > application/ogg ?  If so, what a waste of time...
>
> no, if you want an application/ogg MIME type, write an RFC for it. In
> the process of doing so, you'll collect all the ideas about why it's a
> good idea for application/ogg to be a registered MIME type, you'll write
> a few paragraphs of rationale for it, and anyone who wants to know how
> or why to use that MIME type will be able to refer to that document.

orry, there is an existing RFC proposal for application/ogg that Linus
wrote and submitted.

that was knocked back due to insufficient supporting standards docs, hence
the RFC for the Ogg format itself that Silvia wrote.

Linus' point above was simply that the other codec-specific MIME types
also have their own RFCs as needed for different reasons, eg. for RTP.

I guess we should spend our time reading and commenting on the existing
standards proposals rather than arguing in circles ;-)

Conrad.
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