SV: [speex-dev] Speex modes

Jean-Marc Valin jean-marc.valin at
Sun Oct 13 16:02:52 PDT 2002

Well, I don't know what SBR is, but there's something in the wideband
mode that may be similar: It's possible to encode the whole 4-8 kHz band
with just ~1-2 kbps by only encoding the (LPC) shape of the spectrum and
then just filling that band with "something that makes sense". Quality
is quite reasonable...


Le dim 13/10/2002 à 06:18, Steve Underwood a écrit :
> Pontus Carlsson wrote:
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Btw, have you tried using SBR-technology or similar with speech codecs? That
> >might be a good idea I thought.. But I don't know if it produces as good
> >quality with speech codecs as it does for music codecs. Do you know if there
> >is any open source variant of SBR?
> >
> SBR exploits a limitation of your ears. At high frequencies (like over 
> 10kHz) you cannot determine pitch with any accuracy. You hear up to 
> 15kHz to 20kHz (depending on age and other factors), but you really 
> cannot identify pitch at these frequencies. You cannot even determine if 
> content above about 10kHz is properly harmonically related to the lower 
> pitched fundamentals which usually give rise to them.
> I don't know of any voice specific coder that even attempts to capture 
> energy above 10kHz. SBR just isn't relevent. Most wideband speech coding 
> captures only 7kHz to 8kHz bandwidth. The key improvement that gives 
> over the 3kHz to 4kHz most mainstream voice coders capture is to clean 
> up unvoiced sounds. fffff, sssss, and other unvoiced sounds appear 
> almost the same at telephone bandwidth. At 7kHz bandwidth they have 
> enough character to make them more distinguishable. The basic 
> intelligibility improvement you get is usually small. However, the voice 
> is rather more pleasant and less tiring to listen to. That brings 
> considerable intelligibility improvements in a long discussion. Adding 
> energy up to the limit of hearing adds more to the pleasantness of the 
> voice, but it isn't usually considered enough to get people excited 
> about commiting extra bits per second to it.
> Regards,
> Steve
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Jean-Marc Valin, M.Sc.A.
Université de Sherbrooke, Québec, Canada

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