[Icecast] making sense of the stats

[Robert Jeffares]

Justin...

On 27/03/20 2:55 pm, webmaster at berean-biblechurch.org wrote:
>
> Hi, Robert.  I appreciate the explanation.  Indeed, the terminology is 
> not consistent or intuitive.
>
> So by your "4 services" you mean /sources/?
>
I mean 4 separate streams, in my case AAC+ for external transmitter 
sites, 320mb/s mp3 [for logger], 256 kb/s for some streaming service, 56 
kb/s mp3 for smartphones.

Yes they would be sources. In my case 4 varieties of the same programme.

I also use the same Icecast for Outside Broadcast [Remote] The outside 
user mounts on port 8000 using BUTT.


> If clients are source connections (one and the same?), then how do we 
> reconcile limits for both clients and sources?  Is it like saying, 
> 'for all of the X sources, they can have a total of Y connections'?
>
By trial and error I figured out that each stream takes up more then one 
connection. I configure 5:1. It works.
>
> How can I set limits on the number of /listeners/?  And this limit 
> would be different than a limit on the number of /listener connections/"?
>
I think one is an accumulated total and the other is the number of current.

Max Listeners needs to be set so your broadband is not taken out by 
overload.

ISP's choke upload unless you negotiate with them. We just went 100:100 
at one site but most of the others are like 60:30 and some a lot less 
than that.

Here is a report from an ADSL site. That upload manages 1 listener which 
is an Icecast relay on fibre delivering the programme to 6 listeners.

Download: 15.91 Mbit/s
Testing upload speed..................................................
Upload: 0.85 Mbit/s

>
> On 2020-03-26 00:18, Robert Jeffares wrote:
>
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> /*  Aren't listeners also clients?*/
>>
>> No.
>>
>> Icecast xml is a bit daunting.
>>
>> There are two kinds of connections.
>>
>> Listener and Client
>>
>> Client:...
>>
>> Connections from your source which may be darkice, BUTT, or some 
>> other encoder.
>>
>> You actually need plenty of these. I set mine to 20 when I have 4 
>> services.
>>
>> One client may have several connections. I assume there is some 
>> handshaking and there may be metadata as well.
>>
>> Listener:...
>>
>> Connections from anyone using the mount address which may be a 
>> listener or a relay.
>>
>> The same listener can connect more than once. The reconnect may be 
>> because of a gap the listener does not know about because of the 
>> buffer, or store o audio waiting to be played.
>>
>> On ADSL I limit this number to 5 and on Fibre I limit this to 10. 
>> Your ISP will choke the upload bandwidth especially mp3. I use AAC+ 
>> which has a smaller data size for the same quality, it's also not on 
>> the choke list.
>>
>> If you plan on having more listeners than 5 or so then you need a 
>> Streaming Service who may take your stream and feed it to 100,200 or 
>> some larger number of listeners for $xx.95 a month. Most of these are 
>> mp3 only.
>>
>> hope this helps
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> On 26/03/20 2:24 pm, webmaster at berean-biblechurch.org wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't make sense of the connection stats on the admin page.  We 
>>> have one source and one mountpoint.
>>>
>>> What is the difference between /client_connections/ and /clients/ 
>>> and /connection/s?  How can they be so different in value?  Same 
>>> questions for /listener_connections/ and /listeners/?  The 
>>> connections values seem high for only 5 listeners and one admin.
>>>
>>> Here is a snapshot of the admin page a few minutes after the server 
>>> was started and mountpoint was made available:
>>>
>>>             client_connections
>>>             18
>>>
>>>             clients
>>>             7
>>>
>>>             connections
>>>             24
>>>
>>>             file_connections
>>>             0
>>>
>>>             listener_connections
>>>             17
>>>
>>>             listeners
>>>             5
>>>
>>>             source_client_connections
>>>             1
>>>
>>>             source_relay_connections
>>>             0
>>>
>>>             source_total_connections
>>>             1
>>>
>>>             sources
>>>             1
>>>
>>>             stats
>>>             0
>>>
>>>             stats_connections
>>>             0
>>>
>>>      Mountpoint /live.mp3
>>>               listener_peak
>>>               6
>>>
>>>               listeners
>>>               5
>>>
>>>               max_listeners
>>>               unlimited
>>>
>>> After more people started to connect, the admin #s got even more whacky.
>>>
>>> Then, I have the max clients set to 25, yet the mountpoint says 
>>> 'unlimited' listeners.  Why the difference here? Aren't listeners 
>>> also clients?
>>>
>>> <limits>
>>>   <clients>25</clients>
>>>   <sources>1</sources>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>>
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