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<p>Justin...<br>
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<p>Hi, Robert. I appreciate the explanation. Indeed, the
terminology is not consistent or intuitive.</p>
<p>So by your "4 services" you mean <em>sources</em>? </p>
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<p>I mean 4 separate streams, in my case AAC+ for external
transmitter sites, 320mb/s mp3 [for logger], 256 kb/s for some
streaming service, 56 kb/s mp3 for smartphones.</p>
<p>Yes they would be sources. In my case 4 varieties of the same
programme.</p>
<p>I also use the same Icecast for Outside Broadcast [Remote] The
outside user mounts on port 8000 using BUTT.<br>
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<p>If clients are source connections (one and the same?), then how
do we reconcile limits for both clients and sources? Is it like
saying, 'for all of the X sources, they can have a total of Y
connections'?</p>
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By trial and error I figured out that each stream takes up more then
one connection. I configure 5:1. It works.<br>
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<p>How can I set limits on the number of <em>listeners</em>? And
this limit would be different than a limit on the number of <em>listener
connections</em>"?</p>
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<p>I think one is an accumulated total and the other is the number
of current.</p>
<p>Max Listeners needs to be set so your broadband is not taken out
by overload.</p>
<p>ISP's choke upload unless you negotiate with them. We just went
100:100 at one site but most of the others are like 60:30 and some
a lot less than that.</p>
<p>Here is a report from an ADSL site. That upload manages 1
listener which is an Icecast relay on fibre delivering the
programme to 6 listeners.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Download: 15.91 Mbit/s
Testing upload speed..................................................
Upload: 0.85 Mbit/s</pre>
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<p>On 2020-03-26 00:18, Robert Jeffares wrote:</p>
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<p>Hi Justin,</p>
<p><em><strong> Aren't listeners also clients?</strong></em></p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Icecast xml is a bit daunting.</p>
<p>There are two kinds of connections.</p>
<p>Listener and Client</p>
<p>Client:...</p>
<p>Connections from your source which may be darkice, BUTT, or
some other encoder.</p>
<p>You actually need plenty of these. I set mine to 20 when I
have 4 services.</p>
<p>One client may have several connections. I assume there is
some handshaking and there may be metadata as well.</p>
<p>Listener:...</p>
<p>Connections from anyone using the mount address which may be
a listener or a relay. </p>
<p>The same listener can connect more than once. The reconnect
may be because of a gap the listener does not know about
because of the buffer, or store o audio waiting to be played.
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<p>On ADSL I limit this number to 5 and on Fibre I limit this to
10. Your ISP will choke the upload bandwidth especially mp3. I
use AAC+ which has a smaller data size for the same quality,
it's also not on the choke list.</p>
<p>If you plan on having more listeners than 5 or so then you
need a Streaming Service who may take your stream and feed it
to 100,200 or some larger number of listeners for $xx.95 a
month. Most of these are mp3 only. </p>
<p>hope this helps</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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<p>I can't make sense of the connection stats on the admin
page. We have one source and one mountpoint.</p>
<p>What is the difference between <em>client_connections</em>
and <em>clients</em> and <em>connection</em>s? How can
they be so different in value? Same questions for <em>listener_connections</em>
and <em>listeners</em>? The connections values seem high
for only 5 listeners and one admin.</p>
<p>Here is a snapshot of the admin page a few minutes after
the server was started and mountpoint was made available:</p>
<p> client_connections<br>
18<br>
<br>
clients<br>
7<br>
<br>
connections<br>
24<br>
<br>
file_connections<br>
0<br>
<br>
listener_connections<br>
17<br>
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listeners<br>
5<br>
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source_client_connections<br>
1<br>
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source_relay_connections<br>
0<br>
<br>
source_total_connections<br>
1<br>
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sources<br>
1<br>
<br>
stats<br>
0<br>
<br>
stats_connections<br>
0<br>
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Mountpoint /live.mp3<br>
listener_peak<br>
6<br>
<br>
listeners<br>
5<br>
<br>
max_listeners<br>
unlimited</p>
<p>After more people started to connect, the admin #s got even
more whacky.</p>
<p>Then, I have the max clients set to 25, yet the mountpoint
says 'unlimited' listeners. Why the difference here?
Aren't listeners also clients?</p>
<p><limits><br>
<clients>25</clients><br>
<sources>1</sources></p>
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<p>Thanks,<br>
Justin</p>
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