[Icecast] Automatic Update of MP3 Files

Gene Steinberg gene at theparacast.com
Sat Sep 27 16:04:56 UTC 2014 

That’s better. This is helpful and I sent the information off to the Webmaster to review.

Peace,
Gene


> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Thomas B. Rücker <thomas at ruecker.fi> wrote:
> 
> On 09/26/2014 10:33 PM, Gene Steinberg wrote:
>> Please make an effort to actually respond to what I asked, and don’t presume to tell me what I did wrong and how it’s my fault — or his fault.
> 
> That's exactly what I'm doing, I'm trying to figure out what situation
> you are in, so that I can properly respond to your questions, without
> having to resort to guessing and assumptions. This inevitably leads to
> more questions, before you start getting answers.
> So far the situation is becoming more clear but there are still fairly
> many question marks preventing me from giving you a concise and targeted
> answer.
> 
> 
>> I assume the distribution is the one on the Icecast site. I have a CentOS 6.5 server, using cPanel/WHM.
> 
> The clean way to install Icecast on CentOS6 would be from the EPEL6
> repository. RPMforge maybe too (haven't tried myself).
> A third option would be that a package of Icecast 2.4 from my OBS
> repository was installed.
> In addition there are:
> - SRPM rebuilt and installed
> - built and installed from source
> 
> It would help us to help you further if you could clarify how Icecast
> was installed on the machine. You can do this by e.g. checking which
> repositories are enabled and by checking the package version of Icecast
> using the 'rpm' command. Probably something like "rpm -q icecast".
> 
> In most cases you'll have an init script and can use:
> /etc/init.d/icecast
> That will give you control of the Icecast server process.
> 
> Seeing that icegenerator is in /usr/local that means it was installed
> from source, combined with the instructions you posted previously there
> seems to be no init script for that.
> 
> To sum up, I can currently state:
> - Use the init script to start/stop Icecast
> - Follow the instructions given to you for the rest
> 
> Regarding your "dynamic reload" problem, my previous statement remains.
> 
> "I'm not familiar with Icegenerator.
> Have you tried reading its documentation?
> http://www.becrux.com/index.php?page=projects&name=icegenerator
> 
> If that doesn't fit your bill you could switch to a different source
> client that's capable to reload its play list dynamically. That might be
> e.g. ez-stream, but there are many."
> 
> If you give us some more information about your work flow for populating those playlists someone on the list might be able to suggest a better suited source client or a modifictation to your current setup.
> 
> 
> 
>> give me a real step-by-step answer.
> 
> Without understand your situation fully, it is impossible to give you
> "exact steps".
> At the risk of angering you further I'm going to say, that what you are
> asking for goes in some aspects beyond the scope of this list:
> We offer help to people who want to figure things out and help
> themselves, we do not do individual project work on behalf of other people.
> That said you are welcome to solicit paid help for your particular setup
> on this list. Usually we see several answers to such requests.
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Thomas Ruecker
> 
>> Gene Steinberg
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Thomas B. Rücker <thomas at ruecker.fi> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 09/26/2014 07:15 PM, Gene Steinberg wrote:
>>>> Linked file means the original MP3 file posted on the server.
>>>> 
>>>> init script? Tell me where to find one? That’s what the Web guy evidently didn’t know, since he’s not experienced at Icecast.
>>> If Icecast was installed from a distribution package, then there usually
>>> is a distribution specific way to start/stop/etc the server, in this
>>> case Icecast. In most cases this is an init script. Although nowadays
>>> systemd is becoming more popular and there it would be a service
>>> definition file.
>>> 
>>> Long story short:
>>> There should be one already. Depending on what your "web guy" did to
>>> Icecast and its configuration, it may or may not work though.
>>> 
>>> It sounds like what you need is a proper system administrator and not a
>>> "web guy".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Thomas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Thomas B. Rücker <thomas at ruecker.fi> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 09/26/2014 01:57 PM, Gene Steinberg wrote:
>>>>>> Well, not quite. The radio network that carries my two radio shows does on-demand and live.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We just wanted an on-demand streamer for our own needs.
>>>>> I don't understand why you call this on demand, but then use a source
>>>>> client to stream it, that's not really on-demand, that's still
>>>>> considered streaming.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On demand is usually considered something where the content is always
>>>>> started from the beginning (unless client and server explicitly
>>>>> implement resume).
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The code from our webmaster to update after a linked file is replaced is:
>>>>> What is a "linked file"? What does this mean?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) You need to update the playlist file with the new show.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 	A) PARACAST FILE LIVES HERE: /usr/local/etc/paracast.m3u
>>>>>> 	B) TECH NIGHT OWN FILE LIVES HERE: /usr/local/etc/nightowl.m3u
>>>>> Given that the file names here match the file names in 3) (except the
>>>>> m3u/cfg file extension), I'm going to guess that those are play lists
>>>>> that then are being streamed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2) Shut down/restart icecast. (there may be ways of not having to restart the stream, but it's beyond me)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 	A) RUN THIS COMMAND: ps -C icecast
>>>>>> 	B) Get the PID # that is shown for icecast
>>>>>> 	C) RUN THIS COMMAND (where PID# is from above): kill PID# 
>>>>>> 	D) RUN THIS COMMAND: /usr/bin/icecast -c /etc/icecast.xml -b
>>>>>> 	E) You MIGHT have to hit CTRL-C after that last step to return to prompt.
>>>>> This is most certainly NOT necessary. What would make you think that you
>>>>> need to do this?
>>>>> Also why are you not using an init script?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3) Restart icegenerator (this is what serves the mp3 files to icecast)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 	A) RUN THIS COMMAND: /usr/local/bin/icegenerator -f /usr/local/etc/paracast.cfg
>>>>>> 	B) RUN THIS COMMAND: /usr/local/bin/icegenerator -f /usr/local/etc/nightowl.cfg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So what am I missing? Can we make this dynamic?
>>>>> I'm not familiar with Icegenerator.
>>>>> Have you tried reading its documentation?
>>>>> http://www.becrux.com/index.php?page=projects&name=icegenerator
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that doesn't fit your bill you could switch to a different source
>>>>> client that's capable to reload its play list dynamically. That might be
>>>>> e.g. ez-stream, but there are many.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Thomas B. Rücker <thomas at ruecker.fi> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 09/26/2014 12:39 AM, Gene Steinberg wrote:
>>>>>>>> So I have a new Icecast setup with two channels, each of which carries a link to MP3 files.
>>>>>>> Icecast is intended for live streaming, not for serving static files.
>>>>>>> Which of both are you doing here?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Whenever I update the .m3u file to reflect a changed link, I have to restart Icecast and the Icegenerator to make it recognize the change.
>>>>>>> Where do you update a m3u file? Icecast generates dynamic m3u files for
>>>>>>> streams, so creating your own is usually not necessary.
>>>>>>> Or is this something in your source client side (Icegenerator?).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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