[Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
Greg J. Ogonowski
greg at orban.com
Wed Oct 4 01:18:04 UTC 2006
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At 18:13 2006-10-03, Ross Levis wrote:
>Hi Rob
>
>The stream format has nothing to do with your audio files. I probably
>have 70% MP3's and 30% Ogg Vorbis files, and 1 or 2 WAV files for
>jingles on my hard drive. I only encode new CD's to Ogg Vorbis.
>
>But my station is streaming in AAC+ format, and I have also streamed in
>Ogg Vorbis format simultaneously. There is no way I would bother
>streaming in MP3 format. It's 15+ year old technology and not designed
>for streaming at low bitrates. It sounds like crap at anything below
>112k. Whereas 28k AAC+ sounds pretty good in hifi stereo, and this
>bitrate means it's available to dial-up internet users.
>
>Here is my 28k AAC+ world music stream if you are interested. It requires
><http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~rlevis/winamp521_full.exe>Winamp v5
>or <http://www.foobar2000.org/>Foobar2000 or
><http://www.un4seen.com/download.php?xmplay33>XMPlay or
><http://www.screamer-radio.com/>Screamer or
><http://www.videolan.org/vlc>VLC for Mac/Linux
>
>http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u
>
>Ross.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Campbell" <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
>To: <<mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
>
>I only have mp3s and it doesn't make sense to me to change all of them
>to ogg. My MDA(windows mobile phone) plays mp3s with no problem. It
>uses them as ringtones. Its more widely used in my circles. Why would
>I and everyone else want to switch to ogg? What is the benefit? Why
>the shun on mp3? And I can stream at 64 and 32 which is great for those
>streams that will get a lot of listeners. This is being done on a cable
>upload which isn't that impressive and not for commercial use so sound
>quality isn't "needed" but I could stream higher for special friends if
>I wanted. But if all of this is and has been available with mp3; why
>switch?
>
>On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 00:03 +1300, Ross Levis wrote:
> > I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of Xiph codecs, but I
> > think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will not help
> > this endeavour. I can imagine it will just piss a lot of people,
> > including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.
> >
> > I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now since this occured.
> > The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg Vorbis at all.
> > The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast, which I'm still
> > seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix to be
> > done so the restriction could be lifted.
> >
> > This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do not
> > regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.
> >
> > The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality. If Xiph
> > wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to
> > perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to
> > be done on the codec. The only work we are seeing released is by
> > independent developers.
> >
> > Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at higher bitrates.
> > This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will listen.
> >
> > And even though it's only the YP that has the restriction, I think it
> > will give Icecast a reputation of not supporting popular stream
> > formats.
> >
> > It seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up to
> > them, but I hope they will reconsider.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: oddsock
> > To: <mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
> >
> >
> > it was fixed a long time ago actually. The current YP is now
> > benefitting from the changes made by me (with help from Karl),
> > and yet despite the requests from both Karl and I recommending
> > that these streams be allowed again, it falls on deaf ears.
> > Ultimately it's up to Xiph to decide, although I was hoping
> > that when the objection "it performs badly so we turned off
> > all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly"
> > part was fixed, that the decision would be made to return
> > non-vorbis streams. Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence
> > regarding the matter.
> >
> > I guess what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what
> > Icecast is. To me, it's a simple, free, and open source
> > alternative to other non-free, free but restrictred, etc
> > streaming media servers. Others believe, I think, that it is
> > really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph
> > codecs. This was evident from the very beginning when Jack
> > Moffit added support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a
> > "transition path to vorbis" for broadcasters. I certainly do
> > understand their points on the matter, however, I do not share
> > them.
> >
> > oddsock
> >
> > On 10/2/06, Ross Levis
> <<mailto:ross at stationplaylist.com>ross at stationplaylist.com> wrote:
> > I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use
> > less resources so it
> > could be used with other stream formats. It seems to
> > be taking a long
> > time.
> >
> > As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for
> > those wanting to be on
> > a popular directory. I am forced to recommend using
> > Shoutcast to my
> > clients so they can get onto a popular directory. I
> > would prefer to
> > recommend Icecast2.
> >
> > Ross Levis.
> >
> <http://www.stationplaylist.com>http://www.stationplaylist.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Leo Currie"
> <<mailto:leo.currie at gmail.com>leo.currie at gmail.com>
> > To: <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
> > Cc: <<mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2
> > ices0
> >
> >
> > The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3
> > streams are
> > silently ignored.
> >
> > Leo
> >
> > On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell
> <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
> > wrote:
> > > ices.conf:
> > > <Public>1</Public>
> > > <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the
> > song! -->
> > > <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
> > > <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or
> > whatever -->
> > > <Genre>RnB</Genre>
> > >
> > > icecast.xml
> > > <directory>
> > > <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
> > >
> > <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
> > > </directory>
> > > <directory>
> > > <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
> > >
> > <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
> > > </directory>
> > >
> > >
> > > When I look on the YP I don't see it there. Not
> > really sure what to
> > > look for so i looked for 'poohba'. I also did a
> > search for all RnB
> > > and
> > > found nothing of mine.
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