[Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0

Greg J. Ogonowski greg at orban.com
Wed Oct 4 01:18:04 UTC 2006


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At 18:13 2006-10-03, Ross Levis wrote:
>Hi Rob
>
>The stream format has nothing to do with your audio files.  I probably
>have 70% MP3's and 30% Ogg Vorbis files, and 1 or 2 WAV files for
>jingles on my hard drive.  I only encode new CD's to Ogg Vorbis.
>
>But my station is streaming in AAC+ format, and I have also streamed in
>Ogg Vorbis format simultaneously.  There is no way I would bother
>streaming in MP3 format.  It's 15+ year old technology and not designed
>for streaming at low bitrates.  It sounds like crap at anything below
>112k.  Whereas 28k AAC+ sounds pretty good in hifi stereo, and this
>bitrate means it's available to dial-up internet users.
>
>Here is my 28k AAC+ world music stream if you are interested.  It requires
><http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~rlevis/winamp521_full.exe>Winamp v5 
>or <http://www.foobar2000.org/>Foobar2000 or 
><http://www.un4seen.com/download.php?xmplay33>XMPlay or 
><http://www.screamer-radio.com/>Screamer or 
><http://www.videolan.org/vlc>VLC for Mac/Linux
>
>http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u
>
>Ross.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Campbell" <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
>To: <<mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
>
>I only have mp3s and it doesn't make sense to me to change all of them
>to ogg.  My MDA(windows mobile phone) plays mp3s with no problem.  It
>uses them as ringtones.  Its more widely used in my circles.  Why would
>I and everyone else want to switch to ogg?  What is the benefit?  Why
>the shun on mp3?  And I can stream at 64 and 32 which is great for those
>streams that will get a lot of listeners.  This is being done on a cable
>upload which isn't that impressive and not for commercial use so sound
>quality isn't "needed" but I could stream higher for special friends if
>I wanted.  But if all of this is and has been available with mp3; why
>switch?
>
>On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 00:03 +1300, Ross Levis wrote:
> > I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of Xiph codecs, but I
> > think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will not help
> > this endeavour.  I can imagine it will just piss a lot of people,
> > including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.
> >
> > I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now since this occured.
> > The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg Vorbis at all.
> > The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast, which I'm still
> > seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix to be
> > done so the restriction could be lifted.
> >
> > This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do not
> > regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.
> >
> > The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality.  If Xiph
> > wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to
> > perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to
> > be done on the codec.  The only work we are seeing released is by
> > independent developers.
> >
> > Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at higher bitrates.
> > This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will listen.
> >
> > And even though it's only the YP that has the restriction, I think it
> > will give Icecast a reputation of not supporting popular stream
> > formats.
> >
> > It seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up to
> > them, but I hope they will reconsider.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross.
> >         ----- Original Message -----
> >         From: oddsock
> >         To: <mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org
> >         Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:22 PM
> >         Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
> >
> >
> >         it was fixed a long time ago actually.  The current YP is now
> >         benefitting from the changes made by me (with help from Karl),
> >         and yet despite the requests from both Karl and I recommending
> >         that these streams be allowed again, it falls on deaf ears.
> >         Ultimately it's up to Xiph to decide, although I was hoping
> >         that when the objection "it performs badly so we turned off
> >         all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly"
> >         part was fixed, that the decision would be made to return
> >         non-vorbis streams.  Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence
> >         regarding the matter.
> >
> >         I guess what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what
> >         Icecast is.  To me, it's a simple, free, and open source
> >         alternative to other non-free, free but restrictred, etc
> >         streaming media servers.  Others believe, I think, that it is
> >         really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph
> >         codecs.  This was evident from the very beginning when Jack
> >         Moffit added support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a
> >         "transition path to vorbis" for broadcasters.  I certainly do
> >         understand their points on the matter, however, I do not share
> >         them.
> >
> >         oddsock
> >
> >         On 10/2/06, Ross Levis 
> <<mailto:ross at stationplaylist.com>ross at stationplaylist.com> wrote:
> >                 I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use
> >                 less resources so it
> >                 could be used with other stream formats.  It seems to
> >                 be taking a long
> >                 time.
> >
> >                 As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for
> >                 those wanting to be on
> >                 a popular directory.  I am forced to recommend using
> >                 Shoutcast to my
> >                 clients so they can get onto a popular directory.  I
> >                 would prefer to
> >                 recommend Icecast2.
> >
> >                 Ross Levis.
> > 
> <http://www.stationplaylist.com>http://www.stationplaylist.com
> >
> >                 ----- Original Message -----
> >                 From: "Leo Currie" 
> <<mailto:leo.currie at gmail.com>leo.currie at gmail.com>
> >                 To: <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
> >                 Cc: <<mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org>
> >                 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
> >                 Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2
> >                 ices0
> >
> >
> >                 The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3
> >                 streams are
> >                 silently ignored.
> >
> >                 Leo
> >
> >                 On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell 
> <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
> >                 wrote:
> >                 > ices.conf:
> >                 >     <Public>1</Public>
> >                 >     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the
> >                 song! -->
> >                 >     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
> >                 >     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or
> >                 whatever -->
> >                 >     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
> >                 >
> >                 > icecast.xml
> >                 >     <directory>
> >                 >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
> >                 >
> >                 <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
> >                 >     </directory>
> >                 >     <directory>
> >                 >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
> >                 >
> >                 <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
> >                 >     </directory>
> >                 >
> >                 >
> >                 > When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not
> >                 really sure what to
> >                 > look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a
> >                 search for all RnB
> >                 > and
> >                 > found nothing of mine.
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