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-greg.<br><br>
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At 18:13 2006-10-03, Ross Levis wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Hi Rob<br><br>
The stream format has nothing to do with your audio files. I
probably <br>
have 70% MP3's and 30% Ogg Vorbis files, and 1 or 2 WAV files for <br>
jingles on my hard drive. I only encode new CD's to Ogg
Vorbis.<br><br>
But my station is streaming in AAC+ format, and I have also streamed in
<br>
Ogg Vorbis format simultaneously. There is no way I would bother
<br>
streaming in MP3 format. It's 15+ year old technology and not
designed <br>
for streaming at low bitrates. It sounds like crap at anything
below <br>
112k. Whereas 28k AAC+ sounds pretty good in hifi stereo, and this
<br>
bitrate means it's available to dial-up internet users.<br><br>
Here is my 28k AAC+ world music stream if you are interested. It
requires<br>
<a href="http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~rlevis/winamp521_full.exe">Winamp
v5</a> or <a href="http://www.foobar2000.org/">Foobar2000</a> or
<a href="http://www.un4seen.com/download.php?xmplay33">XMPlay</a> or
<a href="http://www.screamer-radio.com/">Screamer</a> or
<a href="http://www.videolan.org/vlc">VLC for Mac/Linux</a><br>
</font> <br>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>
<a href="http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u" eudora="autourl">
http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u</a></font><br><br>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Ross.<br>
----- Original Message ----- </font><br>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>From: "Rob Campbell"
<<a href="mailto:rob@rob-campbell.com">rob@rob-campbell.com</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:icecast@xiph.org">icecast@xiph.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:13 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0<br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica"><br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>I only have mp3s and it
doesn't make sense to me to change all of them<br>
to ogg. My MDA(windows mobile phone) plays mp3s with no
problem. It<br>
uses them as ringtones. Its more widely used in my circles.
Why would<br>
I and everyone else want to switch to ogg? What is the
benefit? Why<br>
the shun on mp3? And I can stream at 64 and 32 which is great for
those<br>
streams that will get a lot of listeners. This is being done on a
cable<br>
upload which isn't that impressive and not for commercial use so
sound<br>
quality isn't "needed" but I could stream higher for special
friends if<br>
I wanted. But if all of this is and has been available with mp3;
why<br>
switch?<br><br>
On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 00:03 +1300, Ross Levis wrote:<br>
> I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of Xiph codecs, but
I<br>
> think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will not
help<br>
> this endeavour. I can imagine it will just piss a lot of
people,<br>
> including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.<br>
> <br>
> I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now since this
occured.<br>
> The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg Vorbis at
all.<br>
> The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast, which I'm
still<br>
> seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix to
be<br>
> done so the restriction could be lifted.<br>
> <br>
> This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do
not<br>
> regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.<br>
> <br>
> The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality. If
Xiph<br>
> wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to<br>
> perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs
to<br>
> be done on the codec. The only work we are seeing released is
by<br>
> independent developers.<br>
> <br>
> Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at higher
bitrates.<br>
> This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will listen.<br>
> <br>
> And even though it's only the YP that has the restriction, I think
it<br>
> will give Icecast a reputation of not supporting popular stream<br>
> formats.<br>
> <br>
> It seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up
to<br>
> them, but I hope they will reconsider.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Ross.<br>
> ----- Original
Message ----- <br>
> From: oddsock <br>
> To:
<a href="mailto:icecast@xiph.org">icecast@xiph.org</a> <br>
> Sent: Tuesday,
October 03, 2006 2:22 PM<br>
> Subject: Re:
[Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> it was fixed a long
time ago actually. The current YP is now<br>
> benefitting from the
changes made by me (with help from Karl),<br>
> and yet despite the
requests from both Karl and I recommending<br>
> that these streams
be allowed again, it falls on deaf ears.<br>
> Ultimately it's up
to Xiph to decide, although I was hoping<br>
> that when the
objection "it performs badly so we turned off<br>
> all non-vorbis
streams" was made, and the "performs badly"<br>
> part was fixed, that
the decision would be made to return<br>
> non-vorbis
streams. Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence<br>
> regarding the
matter. <br>
> <br>
> I guess what it
boils down to is a fundamental concept of what<br>
> Icecast is. To
me, it's a simple, free, and open source<br>
> alternative to other
non-free, free but restrictred, etc<br>
> streaming media
servers. Others believe, I think, that it is<br>
> really just a
mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph<br>
> codecs. This
was evident from the very beginning when Jack<br>
> Moffit added support
for mp3 back into icecast2 as a<br>
> "transition
path to vorbis" for broadcasters. I certainly do<br>
> understand their
points on the matter, however, I do not share<br>
> them. <br>
> <br>
> oddsock<br>
> <br>
> On 10/2/06, Ross
Levis
<<a href="mailto:ross@stationplaylist.com">ross@stationplaylist.com</a>
> wrote: <br>
>
I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use<br>
>
less resources so it<br>
>
could be used with other stream formats. It seems to<br>
>
be taking a long<br>
>
time.<br>
>
<br>
>
As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for<br>
>
those wanting to be on <br>
>
a popular directory. I am forced to recommend using<br>
>
Shoutcast to my<br>
>
clients so they can get onto a popular directory. I<br>
>
would prefer to<br>
>
recommend Icecast2.<br>
>
<br>
>
Ross Levis.<br>
>
<a href="http://www.stationplaylist.com">
http://www.stationplaylist.com</a></font><br>
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>
<br>
>
----- Original Message -----<br>
>
From: "Leo Currie"
<<a href="mailto:leo.currie@gmail.com">leo.currie@gmail.com</a>><br>
>
To:
<<a href="mailto:rob@rob-campbell.com">rob@rob-campbell.com</a>><br>
>
Cc: <<a href="mailto:icecast@xiph.org">icecast@xiph.org</a>><br>
>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM<br>
>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2<br>
>
ices0<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
>
The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3<br>
>
streams are<br>
>
silently ignored.<br>
>
<br>
>
Leo<br>
>
<br>
>
On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell
<<a href="mailto:rob@rob-campbell.com">rob@rob-campbell.com</a>><br>
>
wrote: <br>
>
> ices.conf:<br>
>
> <Public>1</Public><br>
>
> <!-- The name of you stream, not the name
of the<br>
>
song! --><br>
>
> <Name>Poohba's Urban
Sounds</Name><br>
>
> <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or
pop or<br>
>
whatever --> <br>
>
> <Genre>RnB</Genre><br>
>
><br>
>
> icecast.xml<br>
>
> <directory><br>
>
>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout><br>
>
><br>
>
<yp-url><a href="http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" eudora="autourl">
http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</a></yp-url><br>
>
> </directory><br>
>
> <directory><br>
>
>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout><br>
>
><br>
>
<yp-url><a href="http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" eudora="autourl">
http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</a></yp-url><br>
>
> </directory><br>
>
><br>
>
><br>
>
> When I look on the YP I don't see it there. Not<br>
>
really sure what to<br>
>
> look for so i looked for 'poohba'. I also did a<br>
>
search for all RnB <br>
>
> and<br>
>
> found nothing of mine.<br>
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