[Icecast] correct way to link stream on a web page?

[Mikee]

What is the correct way to put a link to an mp3 and ogg stream? I'm having a dickens of a time getting anything to work right. 

Here are my stream urls:
http://69.20.57.94:8000/live
http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.ogg

Cutting and pasting always works.

I've been using the following link format:
http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.m3u
http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.ogg.m3u

Both will open up the default player (Winamp) but they never connect. It just says "connecting".

The link for the MP3 stream from the Icecast directory works on some computers but not on others:
http://dir.xiph.org/listen.php?pid=673483&file=listen.m3u

I've yet to meet an ogg link that works. I always have to cut and paste the url into the player. That's not a problem for me but a lot of people barely know howto open a player, let alone figure out where to cut and paste. 

Any help is greatly appreciated!
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