[icecast] ices 0.3 released

Matt Boersma matt at sprout.org
Mon Jul 14 17:43:01 UTC 2003

On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 10:47:24AM -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> > - Most listeners will have to upgrade to a new client or
> > install a plugin.
> I don't see a way around this in the general case, until Ogg is so
> widely used that it would be a bad business idea not to support it.  I

Completely agree.  I know it's a chicken-and-egg thing, and I am
competely sympathetic--it's just the "Welcome to the 21st Century"
attitude of the previous poster that irked me.  Things are not so
cut-and-dried for those of us trying to make our audio accessible
to as many people as possible, with the minimum hassle and
maximum quality.

> That said, we are hoping to have RealPlayer auto-update support in the
> near future. [snip]

I just returned from OSCON, and went to a talk by an engineer from
RealNetworks.  She talked about how simple it was to integrate Ogg
Vorbis support into the Helix Server / Producer framework, which
you can now download and build from CVS.  Of course they were plugging
their semi-open platform, and sadly hadn't even thought about taking
the next step to stream it, or receive it in their client--only
static encoding to files right now.  Your name actually came up when
I asked her about streaming, although I wasn't clear what she thought
you were doing in this regard.

iTunes kicks major bootie, and it is a shame that they have locked
up whatever streaming API must exist.  Come on, Apple!

And WRT WinAMP 3--maybe I'm just getting lucky.  If I hack my icecast
2 server to emit "application/x-ogg" as the mime type, it seems to
play back fine without locking up.  But I realize WinAMP 3 should and
will go the way of the dodo.  I'm just not sure how to tell folks in
the interim "Downgrade to WinAMP 2.91."

Thanks, Jack.  Keep up the great work.  Ogg deserves to take over--
the quality of our low-bitrate (~50Kbps forced VBR) test stream is
nothing short of stunning.


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