[icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land.

oddsock oddsock at oddsock.org
Sun Mar 7 13:36:16 PST 2004

well, I'm not sure that's the reasoning...

from Tom P :
"i'm making changes to yp which will detect the presence of mp3pro within a 
non-encapsulated stream and prohibit its listing. nsv/nsa is an open 
protocol and the authors who wish to broadcast with this format should a) 
rewrite the stream provider to encapsulate and broadcast in the 
encapsulated protocol, b) discuss with christophe which identifiers should 
be included for formal support of the protocol within NSV, c) create a 
playback plugin for winamp which supports the nsv/nsa encapsulation and 
streaming, and d) let me know when all of these things happen so I can 
formally expose these streams via the directory to players which properly 
support them. "

this tells me that they are not trying to alienate non-Shoutcast source 
clients (stream providers he calls them), but rather get people to adopt 
the NSV encapsulation protocol..   Speaking as a source client developer 
and knowing many of the other developers that develop source clients, I 
think they overestimate the willingness to move to their undocumented and 
proprietary encapsulation protocol, when we have something so open and free 
as ogg...

I also just don't get the desire to move to mp3pro..I mean, if you are 
going to make your listeners download a plugin to listen to your station, 
why not just switch to vorbis ?  Sure, you can still listen to an mp3pro 
stream with a normal mp3 player, but geeze, who'd want to ?  As it stands, 
I think the only source client that supports mp3pro is Spacial Audio's 
encoder...And for what it's worth, you CAN stream mp3pro to icecast2 :)


<p>At 03:19 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote:
>On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, oddsock wrote:
> > neat, how ironic is it that you can stream mp3pro with the Shoutcast DNAS,
> > but their YP will not let you list if you do so...talk about your mixed
> > messages...
>I think what they're trying to do here is not only block non-SCDNAS
>servers, but also as many non-Shoutcast sources as they can.  Think about
>it - if you're streaming MP3Pro without it being NSV-encapsulated, you're
>not using a Nullsoft tool to do it.
>This kind of one-eyed behaviour will hopefully push people in the direction
>of finding alternatives.
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