[advocacy] is this list active?
daniel at mondodesigno.com
Wed Feb 25 01:36:56 PST 2004
> it's not that anyone doesn't
> want help, it's that the core members of Xiph are all busy being
> hackers and, well, there's not alot of free time to take on extra
> jobs like volunteer coordination.
It's a matter of priorities. Given that Xiph probably doesn't have the
resources to employ a full-time PR team, working with volunteer
advocates isn't an extra job, it's a core job.
> Being that I was once on the
> outside looking in, not finding it easy to get involved, I know the
> feeling all too well.
I've worked with a lot of libre software projects over the last six
years or so, and most of them are much better at accepting outside
help than Xiph is. It's just a culture that the project has.
> There's a few really talented minds working inside Xiph.. without
> them we wouldn't have much to speak of.
I couldn't agree more.
> Most of them have to keep
> regular jobs because they don't get enough contract/grant work with
> Xiph, and there's a huge todo list for things with a high barrier
> to entry.
That's true of most libre software projects though, especially in the
> I started a "Help Needed" section of Ogg Traffic to help people
> from the community plug-in to various Xiph projects where they're
I agree that's good - perhaps it needs some extra publicity in its own
right? However, with voluntary projects there has to be scope for
volunteers to come up with their own ideas.
> > If anyone at Xiph.org is still interested in seeing my
> > suggestions for hardware branding, just let me know and I will
> > gladly email a PDF.
> I'd personally like to see it, but why PDF? :-)
I'll email it to you off-list then. It's a PDF because vector artwork
needs a vector format, and PDF is widely readable. When working as a
designer I used Adobe Illustrator for this kind of job, but this PDF
was produced in OpenOffice Draw. If anyone wants the OO file they can
have that as well, but they would need to install the right fonts.
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