[advocacy] is this list active?

[Arc Riley]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:37:32AM +0000, Daniel James wrote:
> 
> For example, a couple of months back this list was discussing ideas 
> for hardware branding, and came up with a number of suggestions. None 
> of the ideas or offers of help were taken up, and the impression I 
> got was that Xiph.org didn't actually want input from members of this 
> list. I'm not surprised, therefore, that there hasn't been a 
> large-scale advocacy campaign so far.

I think you misunderstand the group.. it's not that anyone doesn't want 
help, it's that the core members of Xiph are all busy being hackers and, 
well, there's not alot of free time to take on extra jobs like volunteer 
coordination.  Being that I was once on the outside looking in, not 
finding it easy to get involved, I know the feeling all too well.

There's a few really talented minds working inside Xiph.. without them 
we wouldn't have much to speak of.  Most of them have to keep regular 
jobs because they don't get enough contract/grant work with Xiph, and 
there's a huge todo list for things with a high barrier to entry.  
Training new developers who are interested in helping with this is an 
investment on their part, too, and a job that takes them away from doing 
the work they love to do.  

I started a "Help Needed" section of Ogg Traffic to help people from the 
community plug-in to various Xiph projects where they're needed.  I'm 
aware that alot more work is nessesary for volunteer-coordination, but 
it's a start.

> If anyone at Xiph.org is still interested in seeing my suggestions for 
> hardware branding, just let me know and I will gladly email a PDF.

I'd personally like to see it, but why PDF?  :-)
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