[advocacy] Happy New Year! RC3 Released!

[L Victor Marks]

Paypal is a business I've had bad experiences with. Both my uncle and I have
fallen victim to having placed faith in their protection assurances, as well
as having had our accounts suspended for complaining. I appreciate other
methods being available for donating to xiph.org.

more stories of paypal.com woe are at paypalwarning.com

Sorry for the sidetrack. Looking forward to RC4!

Victor Marks

-- Original Message -----
From: "Monty" <xiphmont at xiph.org>
To: <advocacy at xiph.org>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [advocacy] Happy New Year! RC3 Released!

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> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 10:23:52AM +0000, Daniel James wrote:
> > > Should you wish to support our efforts financially towards RC4 and
> > > 1.0, please send your donations via PayPal to donate at xiph.org.
> >
> > Perhaps we can work PayPal (or a similar scheme) into the Ogg
> > specification in such a way that we can counter accusations that
> > Vorbis is not 'secure', or that it rips off artists. Since the rival
> > proprietary codec manufacturers can't complain about quality or price
> > gouging licences, I figure this will be their line of attack against
> > 1.0.
>
> PayPal is neither secure nor a regulated 'bank'.  They could disappear
> next year.  I know you were mentioning PayPal as an illustrative
> example, but the caution hold.  Well-meaning ideas often cause more
> trouble than they're worth.
>
> So, two big reasons we will not and cannot do this:
>
> Xiph,Org is not in the business of running, regulating or enforcing a
> micropayment scheme based on our tags.  It would make the liability
> burden of swimming in technology-shark infested waters look
> comparatively trivial.
>
> The comment header is not intended for this.  Don't abuse the comment
spec.
>
> > The only drawback I can see is that people might want to change the
> > PayPal tag before passing on the file in a p2p network, in order to
> > divert cash to their own account. Not a lot you could do about that -
> > since you could make an analogue source version of any music, however
> > encrypted, and do it - but I guess it might lead to the culprit
> > losing their PayPal account.
>
> The abuses would only *start* there.
>
> Monty
>
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