From peter.harlow at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 11:29:05 2009 From: peter.harlow at gmail.com (Pete Harlow) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:29:05 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Android App? Message-ID: <1ce131ee0911011129p2cd1936dgf06c88b2445320fc@mail.gmail.com> One of the things that annoys me about my current mobile phone is that I cannot use it to play music (naturally all encoded as Ogg Vorbis) as the phone only supports proprietary formats. I wonder if things will be any better with phones using the Android platform - whether anyone has plans to make an open format based player for it and whether there will be any restrictions uploading such an app to commercial phones? Regards, -- Peter Harlow Catnip Controls - Manage the world from your Web Browser http://www.catnip.co.uk/controls/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/attachments/20091101/53de8bdf/attachment.htm From michel.memeteau at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 11:41:17 2009 From: michel.memeteau at gmail.com (michel memeteau) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Android App? In-Reply-To: <1ce131ee0911011129p2cd1936dgf06c88b2445320fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ce131ee0911011129p2cd1936dgf06c88b2445320fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: HI 2009/11/1 Pete Harlow > I wonder if things will be any better with phones using the Android > platform - whether anyone has plans to make an open format based player for > it and whether there will be any restrictions uploading such an app to > commercial phones? > > For what I read, most android phones support vorbis by default but it's not always advertised. I use on symbian Oggplay which works great but draw battery a lot ... -- %<------------------------------------------------------->% Michel memeteau Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr Fixe : 0974763294 Mobile : 0624808051 VOIP | Visio: sip:freechelmi at ippi.fr jabber/GTalk : xmpp:freechelmi at jabber.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/attachments/20091101/ad0abfeb/attachment.htm From realnc at arcor.de Sun Nov 1 12:01:29 2009 From: realnc at arcor.de (Nikos Chantziaras) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:01:29 +0200 Subject: [Vorbis] Android App? In-Reply-To: References: <1ce131ee0911011129p2cd1936dgf06c88b2445320fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/01/2009 09:41 PM, michel memeteau wrote: > HI > > 2009/11/1 Pete Harlow > > > I wonder if things will be any better with phones using the Android > platform - whether anyone has plans to make an open format based > player for it and whether there will be any restrictions uploading > such an app to commercial phones? > > > For what I read, most android phones support vorbis by default but it's > not always advertised. I use on symbian Oggplay which works great but > draw battery a lot ... That's the main problem with Ogg on every mobile device I tried it. Not only phones, but things like media players; it seems to empty the batteries twice as fast compared to mp3. From gmaxwell at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 12:11:49 2009 From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:11:49 -0500 Subject: [Vorbis] Android App? In-Reply-To: References: <1ce131ee0911011129p2cd1936dgf06c88b2445320fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > That's the main problem with Ogg on every mobile device I tried it. ?Not > only phones, but things like media players; it seems to empty the > batteries twice as fast compared to mp3. N810 has decent battery life while playing vorbis. I haven't shimmed the battery to get an amp meter on it, but it appeared to be the case and other people have reported likewise, for example: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/media.shtml#mp3 I have no doubt that it's true one some, but its by no means universal. From tor-einar at jarnbjo.name Sun Nov 1 12:44:23 2009 From: tor-einar at jarnbjo.name (Tor-Einar Jarnbjo) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:44:23 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Android App? In-Reply-To: References: <1ce131ee0911011129p2cd1936dgf06c88b2445320fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1858634.44199501257108268789.JavaMail.root@yggdrasil> Gregory Maxwell schrieb: > I have no doubt that it's true one some, but its by no means universal. > These "internet tablets" from Nokia are unfortunately the odd ones out, so although some mobile devices may show similar battery life, most actually don't. The Nokia models have a programmable DSP, which is doing both MP3 and Vorbis decoding with similar efficiency. Most mobile devices however have a dedicated, energy efficient MP3 hardware decoder, while Vorbis decoding is done in Software on a general purpose CPU (if Vorbis decoding is possible at all). So, the difference is not directly caused by the format or the format specific decoding complexity (I think they are quite similar for MP3 and Vorbis?), but that the player hardware is capable of decoding MP3 much more efficiently than Vorbis. Tor From gmaxwell at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 13:27:18 2009 From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:27:18 -0500 Subject: [Vorbis] Android App? In-Reply-To: <1858634.44199501257108268789.JavaMail.root@yggdrasil> References: <1ce131ee0911011129p2cd1936dgf06c88b2445320fc@mail.gmail.com> <1858634.44199501257108268789.JavaMail.root@yggdrasil> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote: > Gregory Maxwell schrieb: >> >> I have no doubt that it's true one some, but its by no means universal. > > These "internet tablets" from Nokia are unfortunately the odd ones out, so > although some mobile devices may show similar battery life, most actually > don't. The Nokia models have a programmable DSP, which is doing both MP3 and > Vorbis decoding with similar efficiency. Most mobile devices however have a > dedicated, energy efficient MP3 hardware decoder, while Vorbis decoding is > done in Software on a general purpose CPU (if Vorbis decoding is possible at > all). So, the difference is not directly caused by the format or the format > specific decoding complexity (I think they are quite similar for MP3 and > Vorbis?), but that the player hardware is capable of decoding MP3 much more > efficiently than Vorbis. So? the original post was about android. All the android hardware is similar to the N[89]xx, an ARM SOC of some spin or another. The Vorbis decoder on N8xx is CPU based, it doesn't run on the DSP. No one has bothered with a c5x port of the Vorbis decoder for it? though it could be done now. (FWIW, there is now a Theora c64x port (c64x+ is used in n900 and palm-pre among other things: http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=leonora.git;a=summary) In any case, Vorbis does require more work to decode than MP3 ? it's simply a more sophisticated format. How much that work impacts power consumption depends on the target architecture. I expect that in the all software cases it's more of an issue of optimization: A well tuned vorbis implementation could likely take 1/2 or less the resources of the reference implementation, and if you're not advertising Vorbis support you aren't likely throwing optimization resources at it. From jason at jvoegele.com Thu Nov 5 12:32:37 2009 From: jason at jvoegele.com (Jason Voegele) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Vorbis] Support for METADATA_BLOCK_PICTURE in any players? Message-ID: <200911051532.37191.jason@jvoegele.com> Does anyone know of any music players that support the METADATA_BLOCK_PICTURE field in vorbis comments for Ogg Vorbis files? I've added support for this in my little CD ripper app and I'd like to test against a real player. Thanks. -- Jason Voegele We were so poor that we thought new clothes meant someone had died. From stig at stigc.dk Fri Nov 6 10:21:44 2009 From: stig at stigc.dk (Stig Christensen) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:21:44 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Support for METADATA_BLOCK_PICTURE in any players? In-Reply-To: <200911051532.37191.jason@jvoegele.com> References: <200911051532.37191.jason@jvoegele.com> Message-ID: <4AF46938.6080800@stigc.dk> JavaTunes should read it from version 4.0. http://www.stigc.dk/projects/JavaTunes/forum/show.asp?parentid=654 Regards, Stig Jason Voegele wrote: > Does anyone know of any music players that support the METADATA_BLOCK_PICTURE > field in vorbis comments for Ogg Vorbis files? I've added support for this in > my little CD ripper app and I'd like to test against a real player. > > Thanks. > > From jesus.diaz.vico at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 14:22:54 2009 From: jesus.diaz.vico at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_D=EDaz_Vico?=) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:22:54 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Floor1 X axis frequency units? Message-ID: <9d8bcf480911081422l578dfe8sb946deadad6973bd@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I was printing some Floor1 X values from a test audio file, and the values that I've obtained look mostly like the following: [23,33,46,65,79,93,111,130,158,186,220,260,312,372,464,556,750,1024] => For long blocks [8,16,33,70,128] => For short blocks Obviously they are not in Hz, so, could someone please tell me what is the unit used? In the specs it's said that the Floor1 X axis uses a linear frequency range, but I haven't been able to find or figure out the units, may be I have been looking in the wrong places. Thank you all. -- Jes?s D?az Vico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/attachments/20091108/04cb8983/attachment.htm From gmaxwell at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 14:56:27 2009 From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:56:27 -0500 Subject: [Vorbis] Floor1 X axis frequency units? In-Reply-To: <9d8bcf480911081422l578dfe8sb946deadad6973bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d8bcf480911081422l578dfe8sb946deadad6973bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jes?s D?az Vico wrote: > I was printing some Floor1 X values from a test audio file, and the values > that I've obtained look mostly like the following: > > [23,33,46,65,79,93,111,130,158,186,220,260,312,372,464,556,750,1024] => For > long blocks > [8,16,33,70,128] => For short blocks > > Obviously they are not in Hz, so, could someone please tell me what is the > unit used? In the specs it's said that the Floor1 X axis uses a linear > frequency range, but I haven't been able to find or figure out the units, > may be I have been looking in the wrong places. This would be representing DCT bins. The highest position is the nyquist frequency (1/2 the sampling rate). From eldhelrim at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 18:44:32 2009 From: eldhelrim at gmail.com (Eldhelrim) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:44:32 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Floor1 doubts... Message-ID: <714f4f750911101844i7aa40582wb93e5bb5346b996a@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I've read in a thread from this mailing list ( http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis-dev/2009-September/020019.html) that the usage of FLOOR1_fromdB_LOOKUP table is to convert Floor1 values from a dB scale to a linear scale. In a dB scale, given a reference value, the other dB values are obtained from it, normally dB_value = 10log(p1/p0), where p0 is the reference value. Supposing p0 is a fixed value, both 10log(p1/p0) => p1/p0 and 10log(p1/p0) => p1 are dB to linear conversions, so, my doubt is: which one of the conversions is done, p1/p0 or p1? Besides, given that the maximum value of FLOOR_fromdB_LOOKUP table is 1, my deduction is that the conversion which is made is 10log(p1/p0) => p1/p0. The alternative would be converting to p1, chosing arbitrarily 1 as the maximum value (in which units?). As I haven't been able to find any reference to this, I tend to believe that the conversion is made to p1/p0... In the other hand, in "Improved Noise Weighting in CELP Coding of Speech - Applying the Vorbis Psychoacoustic Model To Speex", it is said that the floor is a superposition of the tonal and noise masks. So, given my previous supposition of converting to p1/p0, and given that the maximum value in FLOOR1_fromdB_LOOKUP is 1... then, which is the reference value used? I first thought of the ATH (2e-05 Pascals), but, if so, the maximum value for the floor would be the ATH itself, and it seems to me a bit unlikely for the masks to be always lesser than the ATH... So if my supposition of converting to p1/p0 is right, then the alternative must be that p0 is not a fixed value in FLOOR1_fromdB_LOOKUP and it varies somehow. So, I see here two options: that all my suppositions are right, and then p0 varies, in which case, how does it vary? Or, which I think will be the most probable option, I've made some wrong deduction or supposition, but, as much I think of it, or as much I look for any kind of info in the spec, the web, articles... I'm not able to find any answer... I really need to understand this, so, any kind of help will be much appreciated. Thank you very much. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/attachments/20091111/28c7d3d9/attachment.htm From kiranpreddy05 at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 00:46:29 2009 From: kiranpreddy05 at gmail.com (Kiran P) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Vorbis] Kiran's Calendar Message-ID: <1960949459.5459311257929189952.JavaMail.batch@lpc04> Hello Click on the link below and please enter your birthday for me. It will take less than one minute. http://www.birthdayalarm.com/bd2/85815339a152087748b1483848629c994477889d1386 Thank You, Kiran From xiphmont at xiph.org Wed Nov 11 11:18:56 2009 From: xiphmont at xiph.org (xiphmont at xiph.org) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:18:56 -0500 Subject: [Vorbis] Floor1 doubts... In-Reply-To: <714f4f750911101844i7aa40582wb93e5bb5346b996a@mail.gmail.com> References: <714f4f750911101844i7aa40582wb93e5bb5346b996a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <806dafc20911111118o6d28f97cwb7f8c51bf7afdee9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Eldhelrim wrote: > Hello, > > I've read in a thread from this mailing list > (http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis-dev/2009-September/020019.html) that > the usage of FLOOR1_fromdB_LOOKUP table is to convert Floor1 values from a > dB scale to a linear scale. In a dB scale, given a reference value, the > other dB values are obtained from it, normally dB_value = 10log(p1/p0), > where p0 is the reference value. [...] This mostly restates the same idea several different ways that are equivalent and I'm not sure where you're confused. So let's step back a second... The floor encodes a continuous function and the values of that function are meant to be used as multipliers/ratios. Linear floor multiplied by residue gives you a spectrum. The floor is encoded on a logarithmic scale (not actually decibels in fact, but decibels are easy to understand, so the spec discusses this in terms of decoding the encoded floor to decibels, then doing a decibel->linear conversion). Unitless decibels are just ratios. 1 == 0db, 2 == 6dB, 4 = 12dB. The coversion is a simple 20log10(linear). Is that helpful? Monty From eldhelrim at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 13:52:30 2009 From: eldhelrim at gmail.com (Eldhelrim) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:52:30 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Floor1 doubts... In-Reply-To: <806dafc20911111118o6d28f97cwb7f8c51bf7afdee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <714f4f750911101844i7aa40582wb93e5bb5346b996a@mail.gmail.com> <806dafc20911111118o6d28f97cwb7f8c51bf7afdee9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <714f4f750911111352m323c50fave137c633eba78e63@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/11 > This mostly restates the same idea several different ways that are > equivalent and I'm not sure where you're confused. So let's step back > a second... > > The floor encodes a continuous function and the values of that > function are meant to be used as multipliers/ratios. Linear floor > multiplied by residue gives you a spectrum. > > The floor is encoded on a logarithmic scale (not actually decibels in > fact, but decibels are easy to understand, so the spec discusses this > in terms of decoding the encoded floor to decibels, then doing a > decibel->linear conversion). Unitless decibels are just ratios. 1 == > 0db, 2 == 6dB, 4 = 12dB. The coversion is a simple 20log10(linear). > > Is that helpful? > > Monty > Yes, that helped, but I'm afraid my doubt is still rounding my head... I'll try to explain it better... The top linear value (the values in FLOOR1_fromdB_LOOKUP table) is 1, so, the top value for the floor, in dB, is 0 (20log10(0) = 1), but, in your AES paper I mencioned in my previous post, it's said that the floor is the superposition of the tonal and noise masks, so, the top _mask_ value is 0dB... So I think that what I really don't understand is how can be that the greatest value this _mask_ can get is 0dB... This is why I asked about the reference value used (the p0 from 20log(p1/p0) that I was mentioning in the other post). Maybe if I explain what is my best current "bet" about how this works (despite yo might think I'm gone crazy... ;)) could help you tell me where I am wrong, or if I've understood something right at all...: 1) Given a frequency line (mdct bin) of the audio signal, take its value as p0. 2) Use this p0 as the reference value to obtain the floor that frequency. That would make the top value of the floor, be 0dB [or the greater linear value to be 1, which is the main reason why I've thought this], unless the mask is greater than the signal... 3) Convert the floor dB value to linear and use it to divide the corresponding mdct coefficient to get the corresponding residue. I apologize because I'm sure that the best way of understanding this may be reading the code functions used to obtain the floor (_vp_noisemask, _vp_tonemask and the functions within), but I've tried it and it is a bit hard for me (they are no much comments and I'm not an audio expert, so it takes me much time to figure out what some parts of the code do...). Thank you very much for trying to help me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/attachments/20091111/ed373c05/attachment.htm From eldhelrim at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 08:40:42 2009 From: eldhelrim at gmail.com (Eldhelrim) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:40:42 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Floor1 doubts... In-Reply-To: <714f4f750911111352m323c50fave137c633eba78e63@mail.gmail.com> References: <714f4f750911101844i7aa40582wb93e5bb5346b996a@mail.gmail.com> <806dafc20911111118o6d28f97cwb7f8c51bf7afdee9@mail.gmail.com> <714f4f750911111352m323c50fave137c633eba78e63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <714f4f750911120840p777438b1vc0b3cebedbd6e801@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/11 > This mostly restates the same idea several different ways that are > equivalent and I'm not sure where you're confused. So let's step back > a second... > > The floor encodes a continuous function and the values of that > function are meant to be used as multipliers/ratios. Linear floor > multiplied by residue gives you a spectrum. > > The floor is encoded on a logarithmic scale (not actually decibels in > fact, but decibels are easy to understand, so the spec discusses this > in terms of decoding the encoded floor to decibels, then doing a > decibel->linear conversion). Unitless decibels are just ratios. 1 == > 0db, 2 == 6dB, 4 = 12dB. The coversion is a simple 20log10(linear). > > Is that helpful? > > Monty > Hm... I think I could summarize better my doubt in this way: Why the greatest value the floor can have, after converting it to linear, is 1 (which would make 20log10(linear) = 0, as linear is 1)? If the floor is the superposition of tonal and noise masks, then, if it's greatest value is 1, or 0 dB, wouldn't it be many mask values that it couldn't represent? (for example, if the masks superposition equals to 10dB...). Again, this is why I thought of the reference level used in the "dB" scale to be dynamic with frequency (the mdct coefficients). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/attachments/20091112/8e51008c/attachment.htm From eldhelrim at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 11:02:53 2009 From: eldhelrim at gmail.com (Eldhelrim) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:02:53 +0100 Subject: [Vorbis] Floor1 doubts... In-Reply-To: <714f4f750911120840p777438b1vc0b3cebedbd6e801@mail.gmail.com> References: <714f4f750911101844i7aa40582wb93e5bb5346b996a@mail.gmail.com> <806dafc20911111118o6d28f97cwb7f8c51bf7afdee9@mail.gmail.com> <714f4f750911111352m323c50fave137c633eba78e63@mail.gmail.com> <714f4f750911120840p777438b1vc0b3cebedbd6e801@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <714f4f750911141102q5a3d325dt6c405fc7eaf050ac@mail.gmail.com> Could someone please give me a hand with this? What I'd like to know is, if the floor is a superposition of the noise and tone masks, and the greatest value it can have is 0dB (linear value = 1), what happens if, for example, the mask a a frequency X equals to 10 dB? Because as I understand the floor, it couldn't be able to represent it. So I suppose I have some wrong idea... Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/attachments/20091114/7a55935f/attachment.htm From ibmalone at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 10:29:21 2009 From: ibmalone at gmail.com (Ian Malone) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:29:21 +0000 Subject: [Vorbis] Floor1 doubts... In-Reply-To: <714f4f750911141102q5a3d325dt6c405fc7eaf050ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <714f4f750911101844i7aa40582wb93e5bb5346b996a@mail.gmail.com> <806dafc20911111118o6d28f97cwb7f8c51bf7afdee9@mail.gmail.com> <714f4f750911111352m323c50fave137c633eba78e63@mail.gmail.com> <714f4f750911120840p777438b1vc0b3cebedbd6e801@mail.gmail.com> <714f4f750911141102q5a3d325dt6c405fc7eaf050ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <124299980911151029s1c1378x916f01d00ef5dd62@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/14 Eldhelrim : > Could someone please give me a hand with this? > > What I'd like to know is, if the floor is a superposition of the noise and > tone masks, and the greatest value it can have is 0dB (linear value = 1), > what happens if, for example, the mask a a frequency X equals to 10 dB? > Because as I understand the floor, it couldn't be able to represent it. So I > suppose I have some wrong idea... > I don't know for sure, but it appears the intention is floor dB values are negative, which makes sense for encoding values ranging [-1,1]. -- imalone From josh at openvideoalliance.org Tue Nov 17 16:56:32 2009 From: josh at openvideoalliance.org (Josh Levy) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:56:32 -0500 Subject: [Vorbis] Open Video Alliance Contest Message-ID: <2b117e380911171656k2a785113j7e16825f0240571c@mail.gmail.com> *Want to win a trip to South By Southwest 2010? Or maybe a Flip Mino video camera? Read on...* *Open Video in 60 Seconds* The Open Video Alliance is holding a video contest. To enter, just make a video spot explaining open video in 60 seconds or less. Then upload it anywhere and tell us the URL. Our judges?including web luminaries like Jimmy Wales and Mitchell Baker?will pick the best and most creative entries. One lucky winner will be headed to Austin on an expenses-paid trip to SXSW 2010 *, *and three runners-up will get a Flip Mino handheld video camera. The last day to submit a video is January 31, 2010. Head over to the contest page to check out the entries and submit your own video! Complete rules are here . *Need some inspiration?* We've got you covered. Here are some ideas.For more on open video, check out some open video issues . *Who are you?* The Open Video Alliance is a coalition of organizations and individuals devoted to creating and promoting free and open technologies, policies, and practices in online video. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brahms String Quintet F Major Viola Selections by Elias Goldstein, viola; and Matthew Ganong, piano 1Handel Prelude 2Bach Jesu_Joy_of_Men's_Desire 3Purcell Gavotte and Hornpipe 4Greensleeves Vaughn William 5Beethoven Rondo 6Benjamin Mattie Rag 7Benjamin From San Domingo 8Hora Staccoto Dinicu 9Paganini La Companella gold at gas.zipcon.net From arcturusthefirst at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 01:09:22 2009 From: arcturusthefirst at gmail.com (Arcturus the First) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:09:22 -0000 Subject: [Vorbis] iTunes plugin help, please? Message-ID: <1eb6102d0911170108n7c3d51acqe8c42b0067339f19@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I'm afraid this is a terribly noobish issue, but I can't figure out how to install you FLAC/OGG plugin for iTunes. I read the ReadMe file that came with the download, but it wasn't terribly specific on WHERE the file is supposed to be copied in the library. I tried copying it to the library/iTunes/Plugins folder, but nothing happened. 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