[Vorbis] A Macromedia Shockwave Flash-based Ogg player?

[Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves]

I pretty much agree with everything you said, Chris.  In fact, I've
been trying to get in touch with Adobe for a while to see what can be
done regarding Vorbis et al support in Flash.  Results, however, are
far from promising.

I'm open for any suggestion on how to get the action rolling.  Right
now, I am the one dealing with marketing and promoting Xiph's
projects, but in regards to big corporations, I have little knowledge
on how to deal with the matter.

-Ivo

On 1/16/07, Chris Harrington (Personal) <webkid at webkid.com> wrote:
> Most (really, all) modern browsers recommend a download when they
> stumble upon a flash embed for the first time. Internet Explorer and
> Firefox both do. I just installed Windows 2000 on Parallels, got
> Firefox, and it prompted me to do an automatic install of Adobe flash.
>
> It was nice; "You need a plugin." "OK." "Click here and say you agree."
> "OK, I agree." "I'm done! Look at the flashing stuff!" "Ooo, nice."
>
> Oh, let me just say that anyone who says that we should be targeting a
> Firefox plugin as a direct Ogg Vorbis codec is missing the point. That
> kind of thing is already available (VLC provides an open source plugin
> of that nature, for example). The point is to target a piece of software
> that is nearly ubiquitous among internet users and tojan horse the codec
> onto their machine.
>
> Once people start using Ogg Vorbis, and especially once they *aren't
> aware of it*, it'll become much more widespread. The fact that someone
> must know what format their music is forms the very basic problem that
> we have today; users don't want to have to take a class or read a book
> to listen to music. Do you realize that some people (well, a lot of
> people) use Windows Media player to rip their CDs to 64k WMA files? Why?
> Because it's already their on their Windows computer. They've been using
> that the whole time, why should they care?
>
> Education is a wonderful fantasy, but it's 10% at best. The other 90% is
> showing people that it's already part of their daily lives and they
> don't even know it (ala MP3).
>
> -Chris