[vorbis] Vorbis Comment question

[Sergey Meniailenko]

I should have probably looked at the winamp decoder before I posted. Please excuse me.

I personally thought that my suggestion was adequate because it was pertinent to quite a number of cases out there -- as many as there are collaborations between artists and I still think that the current method of defining collaborations is ambiguous. And no, I do not believe that tags are equivalent to a quick note on a CDR. I think a strict standard is a better solution for a world where music files are frequently exchanged between users. Since there hasn't been much positive feedback to my suggestion, I assume that users are generally happy with the official specifications -- and I am too, for the most part. We should then stick to what we have.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vorbis at xiph.org [mailto:owner-vorbis at xiph.org] On Behalf Of gtgbr at gmx.net
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:21 PM
To: vorbis at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [vorbis] Vorbis Comment question

Sergey Meniailenko wrote:
> I understand that you can create custom vorbis comment fields, but
> let's face the fact that no ogg player out there has adequate
> support for custom fields as yet -- you cannot, for example, tell
> xmplay or winamp to display custom field information in the
> playlist.

Not true, see my mail that you quoted.

> Including a field name in the official specs will speed up the
> acceptance of a standard.

Most/all players that don't support arbitary tags, don't even support
all of the current standard. I highly doubt that the
developers/designers of such programs care about Yet Another Vorbis Tag.
You're demanding too much - especially from the average user of such
players that are designed for nothing but simplicity. They simply won't
care. I really believe that your needs are rather personal, and solved
best by customizing the tools you use. The current set of standard tags
is probably way too complicated/comprehensive already, but I like it
very much as a compromise - it covers all simple uses and most advanced
ones, too. But there'll always be someone, whose requirements can't be
covered. If everyone got it their way, the standard would contain 100
tags or more (all of which might be very useful to those who suggested
them and one or two others). It is common practice that people use
something like "ARTIST=A feat. B"; people will neither learn about
'your' new standard tag, nor will most of them use it even if they knew.

It makes no sense to educate people on something "personal" like tags
that are supposed "to be used much like someone jotting a quick note on
the bottom of a CDR".

<p>Moritz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vorbis at xiph.org [mailto:owner-vorbis at xiph.org] On Behalf Of gtgbr at gmx.net
[...]
> Compliant players are able to display ANY tag. Winamp 2 with a fairly
> recent in_vorbis.dll is one of those (I don't use other players than WA2
> on Windows, so I don't know about WA3 and other players). If you check
> out the configuration of the Vorbis decoder plugin, you'll notice that
> you can define anything in the "display" field. For example, I added a
> tag to an .ogg named SUSHI=tasty! and changed the display variable to
> %sushi% ... it worked as expected. :)
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