[vorbis] Transparent Video Codec

[Ed Sweetman]

first off:
what does this have to do with video codecs not to mention the 
transparent use of them?
The post is off topic with the subject.

<p><p>Corey Miller wrote:
> 
> On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 02:27 AM, Corey Miller wrote:
> 
>> *NOTE: I am answering questions asqui asked in a private e-mail about 
>> set top boxes.  Since it started with me talking about the use of ogg 
>> in a set top box project, I am posting it here, and there is some very 
>> relevant information I would like to discuss.  Since most of what I 
>> could say about it is irrelevant to this board, I answered most of the 
>> questions in this post, and will soon send another post that has the 
>> information more relevant to vorbis.  Plus, asqui, horrible apologies 
>> if for some reason you didn't want everyone to see this e-mail, I 
>> should have asked first but it's 2 AM and I need sleep.
> 
> And this is that second post containing all of the information both more 
> relevant to this mailing list and that I think it's subscribers will be 
> more interested in and also questions they will be able to do a good job 
> of answering.  As promised, this will have a lot to do with ogg and the 
> vorbis format.  Most of this is explanation as to why I need these 
> questions answered, but I REALLY need the questions answered so to make 
> things easier on people, I enclosed lines with important questions in 
> --*this*--.  Lol, sorry, that sounds a little demanding, but if you can 
> answer any of my questions I would be very grateful.
> 
more relevant, luckily i missed the previous one then.

>     Ok, since I am getting the large hard drive for the server to store 
> all of my media from music to movies on, I am going to start my huge 
> archive.  I have to write a lot of software and scripts to make it all 
> easy to use and professional looking.  So I need some advice.  One of 
> the first things I'd be making is a simple script to quickly rip any 
> movies or music from a CD or DVD, and the music will be encoded using 
> ogg vorbis.  Since all of my media will be stored on this huge media 
> file server I won't have access to my entire library if I'm not on my 
> network... so I was wondering also going to write a program (or script, 
> or incorporate this into one of my other programs) that would decide on 
> which songs I'd like to currently listen to (plus I'd be able to add 
> manually to that list) and have those songs transferred to my laptop.
>     I also have a 20 gig MP3 player (archos jukebox) and if it will 
> support ogg soon I'll have that script keep my entire collection 
> constantly up to date on that too.  For now I'd probably have to add in 
> some part of the the script that would re-encode my oggs into mp3s 
> before sending it to that.  But if it did support ogg soon, I'd want to 
> be able to peel my vorbis files before sending them because my music 
> collection could quite easily grow beyond 20 gigs and the USB connection 
> is slow, so it would take a long time to send large files.
>     What the long explanation that is the previous paragraph is leading 
> up to is....  I'd like to know some things about the feasibility of what 
> I just said.

good to know.

> 
> --*How long until ogg will support peeling?  Can I start encoding my 
> files now and when peeling support is added will I be able to peel my 
> old files?  Or will I have to re-encode them?  Does anyone have any 
> information about if/when the archos jukebox will support ogg vorbis?*--
If peeling is implemented it'll probably involve a re-packaging of the 
previously encoded ogg files in which the bitstream is preserved but is 
packed differently in the ogg stream so that peeling can be done. It'll 
be added as soon as someone codes it i assume.

<p>>     Since I'm not in the mood to completely write my own players, but 
> I'm writing a nice little graphical shell for all of the functions of my 
> set top box.... I'm basically making the shell operate certain terminal 
> functions.
>
> --*For the playback of ogg files I would really like a nice visualizer 
> (because this whole thing will obviously be hooked up to a TV, so that 
> would look nice) and I'd really like a playlist.  Are there any command 
> line ogg players that have both of these functions?  Are there other 
> ways to add a visualizer, like are there any standalone command line 
> visualizers?  How hard is it to create a pseudo-playlist (like just a 
> big list of songs organized based on tags, names, or directories)?  If I 
> used a standalone visualizer, made my own playlist system, etc. what is 
> the best command line media player that supports vorbis?  The machine 
> I'm using is fairly powerful so if a player is kinda bloated or 
> inefficient it's not a huge loss, but what are the best command line 
> vorbis players for things like, the most fast clean and efficient, the 
> easiest, most customizable, supports the most other formats, etc.*--

why is this here?
1st off: every vorbis supporting player i've seen uses 1 of 2 vorbis 
decoders that are in existance, tremor and the xiph one.  Every player 
uses them to decode so they're only as fast as they are.

2nd: hard is subjective and dependent on the skills of the person doing 
it. How are we supposed to tell you how hard something is ? I can tell 
you how difficult something is for me to code but that is irrelevent. 
And so is the question.  Visualizations ...  What does that have to do 
with vorbis and thus a vorbis mailing list.  Search freshmeat and 
google. that's what they're there for.

3rd: if a pseudo-playlist is a list of songs organized by information 
pertaining to the songs, what is a real playlist?

> 
> 
>     --*I don't really NEED other formats, except speex, because that's 
> what I was planning on encoding my audio books into, so which command 
> line players do/can (in the future, with simple modifications to the 
> source, or with plug-ins) support speex?*--
> It wouldn't be any problem if I had to use two different players for 
> vorbis and speex, I'm probably going to make the way you access them 
> completely different too.  I'm hoping to have a nice easy to use 
> playlist system for music, but for books
>

good to know.

> --*I'm hoping to have a small scrollable list that takes up at MOST a 
> half of the screen, but probably less, sorted by author, genre, or 
> whatever, then when you select one, even if you don't hit play, on the 
> other half of the screen it'll have some things I can probably get 
> offline or in some cases type myself.  For example a description of the 
> book, some reader reviews,  a picture of the cover of the book, etc.  
> For this I will PROBABLY have something like a text file with an index 
> of the books, maybe in XML but more likely just something I make up to 
> give the info for each like what picture to draw etc.  But is there an 
> easier way to do this?  Are there tags that speex could use that could 
> work well for these purposes?  How would I go about adding my own tag?*--

a speex mailing list seems more on target.

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