[vorbis] changes at pan.zipcon

[al goldstein]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Nathan I. Sharfi wrote:

>
> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Nathan I. Sharfi wrote:
> >
> > Are there any Mac users of ogg? If so, we need there help. Are there free
> > programs for ogg decode for any versions of OS X?
> >
> > ..........Al
>
> I use a Mac.
>
> FIAS: Frogg (http://www.poweredbyg.nu/frogg/)
> FIAB: {}
> non-free: Audion (http://www.panic.com/audion/),
>           MacAmp (http://www.macamp.com/)
>
> Unfortunately, Frogg is, er, how to say...wanting for features; it doesn't
> play more than one file at a time.
>
> Not that I am bitter.
>
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Thanks for the Mac stuff I'll put in. Also any amplification that might make
it easier for users.

I've changed the objected parts of MP3.Readme to:

"If you are interested in free music you should get ogg files.
Ogg sounds better than mp3 at the same bitrate."

> A few other random comments:
>
> In http://pan.zipcon.net/Windows/programs/index.html:
> Would you consider removing everything in there except for for zinf and
> unzip? They're all ancient and one can get more readable information from
> elsewhere.

Please supply where and I'll replace them.

Formerly my tree had relative links in it. Giuliano Pochini pointed out that
this resulted in duplification of files, because the links weren't hypertext
links. I was testing a program "sdin" that he wrote for converting the links.
I've removed for now the index.html files that sdin generated, and removed
the file links.

> What's "sdin"? If it's not something any of us need, delete it. At any rate,
> it's probably being served up as the wrong mime type. I think it's an ELF
> binary, in which case it really shouldn't be there. Similarly for /blurbs/.
>
Notice blurbs is unreadable. It would be nice to have but it still requires
a lot of work. However it is a distraction and I'll save it elsewhere.

I value your help Nathan, I think you would certainly improve things.
I am very green at this kind of publication inspite of being a "geezer".
I possibly made the mistake of organizing things around the record
publication list. Contrib was added for new stuff not in the original
recordings.  It might make sense to drop that structure.

The more recent additions are the result of people telling me they don't know
how to get and play the files. The question is: what level of competence does
one aim at?

Cheers.............Al
> You have an awful lot of ancillary files; I'd suggest condensing them into
> one well-structured HTML file that'll save your guests a lot of
> bumbling-around time.  If you want me to write it, let me know.
>
> http://pan.zipcon.net/Ogg/MP3.readme, unfortunately, deserves the Xiph.Org
> Less Wise than True Award:
>
> """
> If you are interested in free music you should get ogg files which are not
> commercial. Mp3 is connected to the software industry as is also to
> Microsoft.
> We can live without them.
> """
>
> Let's take this one at a time...
>
>
> "If you are interested in free music you should get ogg files"
>
> There's nothing particularly special about files that use Ogg; Ogg Vorbis
> and FLAC are where the action is. Ogg is just a multimedia container.
>
> "ogg files which are not commercial"
>
> What do you mean by this?
>
> "Mp3 is connected to the software industry"
>
> God forbid. Of all the reasons to avoid MP3, this has to be near the bottom.
> I see nothing wrong with having a software industry; I have friends that are
> both in it and want to get into it. If you want a few reasons to avoid MP3
> files, toss out stuff like this:
>
> - "The MP3 format is patent-encumbered, and the license fees that FhG
> charge drive up the cost of software and hardware that use MP3."
>
> - "MP3 files sound worse than Ogg Vorbis files at the same bitrate."
>
> - "Every time you download an MP3 file when there's an Ogg Vorbis file
> available, God kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens."
>
> "...as is also to Microsoft"
>
> Hardly; Microsoft only provides MP3 _de_coders in Windows Media Player. All
> the encoders that ship with it compress to WMA.
>
>
> ---
> 	Nathan
>
>
> > > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, al goldstein wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 1)   A table of contents is in "LIST."
> > > > 2) The tree has had some simplification.
> > > > 3) 2 directories have been added: "wget" and "Windows." These
> > > > are put in to help in downloading.
> > > >
> > > > Corrections to false assertions and other mistakes would be greatly
> > > > appreciated, as well as simplifications and improvements.
> > >
> > > Angry Coffee doesn't seem to have been updated in...ages.
> > >
> > > You can send Windows users directly to http://www.winamp.com/ for winamp2
> > > (it's been updated more recently than winamp3 and has the Vorbis plugin
> > > built in), http://www.foobar2000.org/, and
> > > http://space.tin.it/computer/hherold/ for wget.
> > >
> > > Also, why do you have Vorbis files in a directory called "mp3"? Why not call
> > > it "audio/"?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > 	Nathan
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