[vorbis] When will quality increase be unnoticable?

[Øyvind Stegard]

ndrw mchl grnbrg wrote:

>yvind Stegard <oyvind.stegard at bluezone.no> wrote:
>: 
>: 1. I agree that improving quality makes it possible to reduce data 
>: amount even more, but I think only up to a certain point.. The original 
>: audio is lost no matter what, and to a great extent at low bitrates.How 
>: can mathematics really guess/calculate the original sound that well, in 
>: the end, with so little to work with ? Perhaps much can be 
>: reconstructed, but I think that there must be a limit on how much you 
>: are able to get back, somewhere, when the bitrate gets really low(a 
>: philosophical thought perhaps)... I admit though, that one should be 
>: careful predicting how technology will develop.
>
>Your psychological connection between size and quality is a problem. A
>FLAC file 65% of the size of a WAV file is still lossless, for example.
>
>  
>
Well, after reading some articles and input from this discussion, I've 
gained more knowledge and changed a few of my views on things ;)
Ogg vorbis is, no matter what, the best out there, I'm really glad it's 
here ! Hope it will kick ass in the future and become a real standard. 
Also looking forward to final release.

Does anyone know of any portable Ogg Vorbisplayers yet, or is it likely 
these won't emerge until OGG Vorbis 1.0 is released ?

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