[vorbis] (Classical) Request for Standardization of expanded TAGS

[Jonathan Walther]

On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 08:32:56PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
>> An ENSEMBLE is any grouping of more than one performer that is known by
>> a common name.
>
>This is not going to work well in practice. There are too many gray-area
>cases. Is "Crosby, Stills and Nash" three PERFORMERs or an ENSEMBLE?

I see no grey area.  The answer is

ENSEMBLE=Crosby, Stills and Nash

because they are known as a group by that name, not "3 guys who occasionally
sing together".

>And what about a "band" like the Durutti Column, which is really just
>one guy overdubbing everything?

PERFORMER=Durutti Column

>And what about The Fireman, which sounds like one person, but is
>actually duo performing under a "common name"?

ENSEMBLE=The Fireman

>And what about something like "Buddy Holly and the Crickets" -- is that
>PERFORMER="Buddy Holly" and ENSEMBLE="The Crickets"? Logically, you

ENSEMBLE=Buddy Holly and The Crickets

>So even if you could come up with clean definitions that handle all the
>gray-area cases, you will _never_ manage to get all the ogg users doing

You haven't shown me any gray area cases.

Now, if it was something like "Bon Jovi appearing live with
Guns'n'Roses", then I'd say

PERFORMER=Bon Jovi
ENSEMBLE=Guns'n'Roses

because they are thought of as two separate entities collaborating,
instead of one group.

>things consistently according to your definitions. And I don't see the
>point of "standardizing" something if most users won't conform to (or
>even know about, in most cases) the "standard".

You won't know until you try.

>I think the best solution is to have a single PERFORMER field that
>combines the principal soloist (if any) and ensemble (if any). So all

That doesn't work when you have a dozen famous soloists playing in one
of Mahlers famous 3-orchestra works.  If anything, your approach creates
even more grey areas.

Jonathan

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