[vorbis] (Classical) Request for Standardization of expanded TAGS

[Jonathan Walther]

Whew.  Good example.  I would say the second method is the appropriate
one.  I.e., mention Kate Pierson and Fred Schneider only once each.

You want Assistant Engineer, Hairdresser, and Photographer tags?  Well,
the purpose of the tags I proposed was to really nail down which exact
track you are listening to.  There is a point at which you don't need to
add any further info to uniquely identify a track.  Personally I just
wouldn't put such information in.  They aren't integral to the music.
However, if I had to put them in, maybe a STAFF tag would be
appropriate?  You would use it for additional staff who weren't
performers but were involved in the production some way.

STAFF=Cass Rigby (Assistant Engineer)
STAFF=George DuBose (Photographer)
STAFF=La Verne (Hairdresser)

Finally, if you must put in information about samples, that would use
the ADDENDUM tag.

The goal of this standard is to uniquely identify the track, not to tell
everything about it.  I'd recommend putting an URL in the ADDENDUM tag
that people could go to for "more information".  In fact, forget the
STAFF tag.  Put the track information on the web or in some public
database.

Now, why do I want to uniquely identify the track?  Because if I really
like the song, I want to go out and buy it!  Lets be honest people, many
of us will be listening to ogg's of music we didn't buy.  But most of us
do spend the money to buy music we like.  I certainly do.  Lets make it
easier to do the right thing.

Same thing for a LYRICS tag.  Put the song lyrics on the web, don't
stick them in the ogg file.

Jonathan

On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 07:25:46PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>How do actually handle this?  Sample CD liner notes:
>
>  PRODUCED BY CHRIS BLACKWELL for Island Records, Inc.
>  Associate Producer: Robert Ash
>  Engineer: Robert Ash
>  Assistant Engineer: Cass Rigby
>  CDD Pre-Mastering by WCI Record Group
>  Art Direction: Sue Ab Surd
>  Photography: George DuBose
>  Hairdos by: La Verne
>  Recorded at Compass Point Studios, Nassau, Bahamas
>  Conseilleur: Gary Kurfist
>
>  KATE PIERSON:
>    vocals, organ, keyboard bass
>    2nd guitar (52 Girls, Hero Worship)
>  FRED SCHNEIDER:
>    vocals, walkie talkie, toy piano
>    keyboard bass (Hero Worship)
>  KEITH STRICKLAND:
>    drums, percussion, Claire sounds
>  CINDY WILSON:
>    vocals, bongoes, 2nd guitar (Moon)
>    tambourine
>  RICKY WILSON:
>    guitar, smoke alarm
>
>(These are the first two pages of the liner notes for the first album
>by The B-52's.)  So, how do we tag this under the proposal?  Do we use
>this:
>
>  TITLE=Hero Worship
>  PERFORMER=Kate Pierson (vocals)
>  PERFORMER=Kate Pierson (organ)
>  PERFORMER=Kate Pierson (keyboard bass)
>  PERFORMER=Kate Pierson (2nd guitar)
>  PERFORMER=Fred Schneider (vocals)
>  PERFORMER=Fred Schneider (walkie talkie)
>  ...
>
>Or do we do this:
>
>  TITLE=Hero Worship
>  PERFORMER=Kate Pierson (vocals, organ, keyboard bass)
>  PERFORMER=Fred Schneider (vocals, walkie talkie, toy piano, keyboard bass)
>  ...
>
>Where do we put things like "Assistant Engineer"?  What about
>"Photography" and "Hairdos by"?
>
>Finally, what about music that includes samples of other music?  For
>example, from Madonna's "Erotica":
>
>  (c) 1992 WB Music Corp./Bleu Disque Music Co. Inc./Webo Girl
>  Publishing, Inc. Adm. by WB Music Corp./Shepsongs Adm. by MCA Music
>  Publishing Inc. ASCAP
>
>  Shep Pettibone and Tony Shimkin - Sequencing, Keyboards and Programming
>  Joe Moskowitz - Additional Keyboards
>  P. Dennis Mitchell and Robin Hancock - Recording Engineers
>  George Karras - Mix Engineer
>
>  Contains a sample of "Jungle Boogie" by Kool & the Gang, under
>  license from Polygram Special Markets, a division of Polygram Group
>  Distribution, Inc.  Written by R. Bell, C. Smith, R. Mickens, D. Boyce,
>  R. Westfield, D. Thomas, R. Bell, G. Brown.  Warner-Tamerlane
>  Publishing Corp./Second Decade Music Co. BMI.  All rights administered
>  by Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. Used by permission.  All rights
>  reserved.
>
>A lot of this is just copyright stuff that most people don't care about
>an awful lot, but at the very least I'd expect to be able to include
>the TITLE and ARTIST (heh) of the sampled work in some standardized way.

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