[vorbis] 24/96 ?

[Wilson]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Moritz Grimm" <gtgbr at gmx.net>
To: <vorbis at xiph.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [vorbis] 24/96 ?

<p>> Wilson wrote:
> > > Since the average human can't percieve tones higher than
> > > ~20kHz, 44.1kHz are all you need.
>
> > I think you're getting samples and cycles mixed up.
> > I for one am hyped for DVD-Audio and 24/96 sources.
> > Most CDs sound ghetto; like some ugly monster chewing on my ears.
>
> Either this is because you're listening to badly mastered CDs or your
> mind plays tricks on you ("this is CD, i CAN'T sound good). I don't
> really believe that you could successfully ABX 24/96 vs. 16/44.1.

I don't have any 24/96 equipment, so I know I can't ABX it. Heh.
Even if I did, the speakers that I actually own surely couldn't render the
difference.
If I had access to some truly expensive Hi-Fi gear, I suspect that I could,
but I'm unlikely to find out anytime soon.

>
> And don't underestimate the importance of your CD-Player being good. A
> Sony for US$300 just won't do it if you're hyped for Hi-Fi. If your DVD
> equipment is that much better than your CD-Player, there's a lot room
> for misinterpretation.

I have yet to hear a plausible explanation for why a $1000 CD player is
different from a $100 Discman. Can the "jitter" boogeyman account for the
differences people say they hear?

>
> If there's crap on CD (or DVD), you will/should hear it. A very good CD
> can sound very good, and this has little to do with bit resolution and
> sample rate. (Well, except you're Batman with ears more sensitive to
> high frequencies. ;) )
>

I agree. Out of 350 or so CDs, I have maybe 5 that sound truly excellent.
I hope DVD-Audio makes the flaws in the others so obvious that the recording
studios are forced to improve their techniques. If every CD sounded as good
as those 5, I'd see no need for DVD-Audio or SACD. I definitely don't think
Vorbis should spend much time tuning for 96kHz, since using lossy
compression on something like that largely defeats the purpose. Can FLAC
handle 24/96?

Anyway, my real point was that you were mixing up cycles/sec and samples/sec
in your earlier post. Heh.

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