[vorbis] (Classical) Request for Standardization of expanded TAGS

Jonathan Walther krooger at debian.org
Thu Dec 6 01:42:25 PST 2001


A month or two ago I sent an email to this list proposing to expand
the list of "standard" tags for Ogg Vorbis.  No tag would be required,
but if you wanted to encode certain types of information about a file,
you could use a standard tag.

I went through the whole discussion, and revised my proposal in light
of all the comments from everyone.  Here is the updated proposal.

This document is written in the context of
     http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html
which hasn't been updated since Feb 19, 2001.If a tag can denote
a list of items, and not just a singleton, repeat the tag for each
item, one item for each usage of the tag.  After the list of tags
and what they mean, I will give an example that attempts to use
each one, then a more "normal" example, then a minimal example, and
what the result would look like when played by ogg123.

At first, I just meant for these tags to help out the Classical music
side of things.  But I've been assured that (other than Opus
and Conductor) these tags are equally as useful in Pop music.
Although with Metallicas "Enter Sandman" you might even need the
CONDUCTOR tag, for the guy who conducted the cello players.

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First, a few tags are now DEPRECATED:

VERSION
        version information is typically included in the title,
        such as "Doctoring the Tardis - 12" Remix"

DESCRIPTION
        role subsumed by ADDENDUM tag

ORGANIZATION
        role fulfilled by PUBLISHER, PRODUCER, LABEL,
        and COPYRIGHT tags.

ARTIST
        role fulfilled by COMPOSER, LYRICIST, PERFORMER, ENSEMBLE,
        CONDUCTOR, AUTHOR, PRODUCER, and ARRANGER tags.

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We are then left with the following RECOMMENDED tags:

OPUS
        the number of the work; ie, Opus 10, BVW 81, K6
        for a regular opus, just type the number, eg "10".
        For corner cases, type in the full designation,
        such as "BVW 231".

COMPOSER
        composer of the work. ie, Gustav Mahler

ARRANGER
        the person who arranged the piece.

PRODUCER
        the person who produced the recording

PUBLISHER
        webmaster from Hyperion will explain this
        one; its necessary for radio stations. if it
        turns out to be the same as the COPYRIGHT tag,
        I'll recommend we drop it entirely.

LYRICIST
        the person who wrote the lyrics
        
AUTHOR
        author of spoken text, eg, JRR Tolkien

CONDUCTOR
        conductor of the work; ie Herbert von Karajan

PERFORMER
        individual performers singled out for mention;
        ie, Yoyo Ma (violinist)

ENSEMBLE
        the group playing the peice, whether orchestra, choir,
        quartet, or rock group. ie, Berlin Philharmonic

LABEL
        the record label or imprint of the CD.

ISBN
        if found, put ISBN or EIN of the compact disc here.

ISRC
        documentation isn't available, but if you need it...

DISCID
        since the EIN, ISBN, etc numbers aren't to be reliably found
        on the CD, nor is the catalog number reliable, the FREEDB
        index hash should go here

TRACKNUMBER
        the track number on the CD

ALBUM
        if appropriate, an album name

TITLE
        "the work", whether a symphony, or a pop song

PART
        a division within a work; movement of a symphony, eg.

TYPE
        type of work, ie, symphony, concerto, song, speech

GENRE
        id3 type classification (classical, pop, jazz, blues, etc)

DATE
        date of recording, if known

LOCATION
        location of recording, if known

COPYRIGHT
        who holds copyright to the track

ADDENDUM
        additional comments pertaining to the piece.

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Here is a ``minimal'' example.

ALBUM=Joyride
ENSEMBLE=Roxette
TITLE=Joyride

Here is what you might see if you played it with ogg123:

Album: Joyride
Ensemble: Roxette
Title: Joyride

<p>Bitstream is 2 channel, 44100Hz

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Here is a ``typical'' example.

LABEL=Deutsche Grammophon
COMPOSER=Gustav Mahler
CONDUCTOR=Herbert von Karajan
ENSEMBLE=Berliner Philharmoniker
PERFORMER=Liza don Getti (soprano)
PERFORMER=Joe Barr (piano)
OPUS=8
PART="movement 1. Allegreto"
TITLE="Symphony no. 4"
ADDENDUM=I was present when this recording was made; met my wife there.
ADDENDUM=The flautist ate a green pickle with a purple egg.

And here is what you might see if you played it with ogg123:

Playing from file ogg/mystery_file_I_got_from_gnutella.ogg
Label: Deutsche Grammophon
Composer: Gustav Mahler
Conductor: Herbert von Karajan
Ensemble: Berliner Philharmoniker
Performers:  Liza don Getti (soprano)
             Joe Barr (piano)
Title: Symphony no. 4 (Opus 8), movement 1. Allegreto
Addenda: I was present when this recording was made; met
          my wife there.  The flautist ate a green pickle
          with a purple egg.

<p>Bitstream is 2 channel, 44100Hz
--------------------------------------------------------
Here is a complete example.
OPUS=1
COMPOSER=Stravinsky
ARRANGER=Ravel
PRODUCER=Fat Fred
PUBLISHER=Unknown
LYRICIST=Puccini
AUTHOR=Reverend Lovejoy
CONDUCTOR=Zubin Meta
PERFORMER=Nix Nax (piccolo)
ENSEMBLE=Upper East German Woodwind Band
LABEL=BIZ
ISBN=11111111111
ISRC=format unknown
DISCID=al;dkjf;ajsdl;fkjasl;kj
TRACKNUMBER=8
ALBUM=Tootles and Tunes
TITLE=The Life and Times of Friar Tux
PART=first minuet (allegro con molto)
TYPE=ballet
GENRE=classical (avant garde)
DATE=Sept 3, 1974
LOCATION=Easthampton Cathedral, Chesterwickshire
COPYRIGHT=Unclaimed
ADDENDUM=This is the wierdest, ugliest piece of music I've ever heard.  Its the ugly duckling of the classical music world.

And here is what it would like like from ogg123

Album: Tootles and Tunes
Track: 8
Title: The Life and Times of Friar Tux (Opus 1), first minuet (allegro con molto)
Composer:  Stravinksy
Conductor: Zubin Meta
Performer: Nix Nax (piccolo)
Ensemble:  Upper East German Woodwind Band
Arranger:  Ravel
Lyricist:  Puccini
Author:    Reverend Lovejoy
Label:     BIZ
Publisher: Unknown
Copyright: Unclaimed
ISBN: 111111111
ISRC: format unknwon
Type: ballet
Genre: classical (avant garde)
DiscID: al;dkjf;ajsdl;fkjasl;kj
Producer: Fat Fred
Recorded on: Sept 3, 1974
Recorded at: Easthampton Cathedral, Chesterwickshire
Addenda:  This is the wierdest, ugliest piece of music I've ever heard.
          Its the ugly duckling of the classical music world.  It has a
          monotone reading throughout, of that famous sermon by
          Reverend Lovejoy, "Life and Times of Friar Tux" 

<p>Bitstream is 2 channel, 44100Hz

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