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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Hi </span></font><st1:PersonName><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Monty</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Obviously you have
a problem with TI DSPs and the corresponding tool chain. I just want to state,
that this is at least not the impression of everyone in this mailing list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I worked with TI
DSPs more than a year and it's even hard for me to understand your arguments. A
C5416 DSP has only a 16bit-Core (compared to ARM 32bit) and this is the reason
for the most inefficiencies. All 32-bit variables cannot be processed in
registers (except the accumulators) and all operations on 32bit variables were
translated with calls to <span class=SpellE>stdlib</span> functions.
Furthermore the compiler itself does nothing else than translating the c-code
into assembler. The code is only optimized, if the optimizer is enabled. I had
a look on the efficiency of the assembler output in a number of cases. If the
optimizer is on (g2 or g3) and the Debug Info is disabled, in the most cases I
couldn't get a reasonable better result writing this part of code in assembler.
Exceptions are the calls to <span class=SpellE>stdlib</span> functions.
Therefore it is best to start optimization work in those parts which include a
lot of calculations - e.g. IMDCT, Overlap Add and Spectral Envelope - but I'm
convinced this is nothing new for you. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I do not want to criticise
you, especially not because I think you've done really a great job by
implementing Vorbis and Tremor. But I also think that it is not fair to compare
a 16bit-DSP with a 32bit-Microcontroller (which has even more an assembler
instruction set especially developed for efficient c-code translation). Let us
compare the C5416 DSP with 16-bit CPUs of other chip producers. I have not
heard from Ogg Vorbis running on another 16bit CPU. Is there any port
available?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I also had similar
problems that CCS does not respond after running a program. But after digging
into the sources I always found the error on my side. Once there was a stack
overflow, once the memory allocated was not available. (Then I wished that
there would have been a check on null-pointers after an <span class=SpellE>alloc</span>.)
But finally the codec works fine, even on a TI DSP (not C5416, but C5510)!
Furthermore I think that CCS has included a number of very nice and helpful
features. When you use DSP/BIOS you can display the current CPU-Load and tools
are provided to measure execution times of functions and modules. Additionally
your application is not limited to one task anymore - multitasking applications
are possible. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span class=SpellE><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'>Regards</span></font></span><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'>, Roland<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'>Von: tremor-bounces@xiph.org [<a
href="mailto:tremor-bounces@xiph.org">mailto:tremor-bounces@xiph.org</a>] Im
Auftrag von </span></font><st1:PersonName><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'>Monty</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'>Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2004 21:33<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'>An: Jochen Wolff<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Cc: </span></font><st1:PersonName><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>tremor@xiph.org</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span class=SpellE><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Betreff</span></font></span><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>: Re:
[Tremor] TI55xx implementation: stuck<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On </span></font><st1:date
Month="10" Day="15" Year="2004"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Fri, Oct 15, 2004</span></font></st1:date><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> at </span></font><st1:time
Hour="18" Minute="57"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>06:57:18PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> +0200, <span
class=SpellE>Jochen</span> Wolff wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Hi all!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> I'm trying to
implement the Tremor code on a TI55xx DSP board. As I'm <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span
class=GramE>a</span> real <span class=SpellE>newbe</span> with both the Tremor
Code and DSP programming I'm really <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span
class=GramE>a</span> bit stuck at the moment. And I'm not really good in all the
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> programming
either. What I managed to do so far is compiling the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Tremor code
with GCC and the provided <span class=SpellE>makefile</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> My main
problems are:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> - Solving the
problem with 64bit variables and rewriting the basic <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span
class=GramE>math</span> functions needed. Is it necessary to do that in
assembler or <span class=GramE>can</span> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> I get away
with it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>None of the 64 bit
math needs to be fast; it's only used in a few places to track 64 bit fields in
the header, like <span class=SpellE>granpos</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I have an
implementation of the basic 64 bit math needed as a header, I'll dig that out
(nudge me if I don't send it in a day or two).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> - Spotting all
commands in the code where 64bit variables cause a <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span
class=GramE>problem</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><span class=GramE><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>ogg_uin64</span></font></span><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>
should find them :-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> - Transporting
the code into TI <span class=SpellE>CCStudio</span>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>First off: I'm
terribly sorry you're stuck with CCS.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>CCS really drives home that fact that TI doesn't seem to actually use
any C code themselves.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It is a perfectly
awful compiler.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You can expect to need
to write <span class=SpellE>alot</span> of assembly to get <span class=SpellE>acceptible</span>
performance.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The TI DSPs are nice chips,
but they do suffer from a low quality <span class=SpellE>toolchain</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> understand
what the <span class=SpellE>autogen</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span
class=GramE>function</span> does, replace it and get both the library and the
program <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span
class=GramE>code</span> compiled in CCS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>All <span
class=SpellE>autogen</span> does is try to automatically build a <span
class=SpellE>makefile</span> that takes into account all the quirks and
requirements of a given platform, a necessity under UNIX where you could be
building on one of thousands of OS/platform/<span class=SpellE>toolchain</span>
variants.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>However, the <span
class=SpellE>autogen</span> stuff is useless to you as you're on an embedded
platform.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It's included in Tremor mostly
so that if you have a UNIX-like environment, you can build a copy of Tremor for
the general purpose CPU and use that other working copy as a <span
class=SpellE>behavioral</span> sanity check while porting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> I've read in
previous threads that some people have done it before. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> However, the
hints to the solutions of my problems were not sufficient <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span
class=GramE>for</span> me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I've ported Tremor
to 5416.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I'm not in a mood to ever touch
it again, assuming I even could (After a code-merge from upstream and a
recompile, CCS got its panties wedged into a state where any attempt to touch
the Tremor object code causes the IDE to crash.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span><span class=SpellE>TI's</span> support advice was to 'back out the
changes that cause the UI to crash'. Thanks guys, but I'd rather just abandon
your product entirely. Fortunately other engineers who were better with the
5416 took over <span class=GramE>the <span class=SpellE>codebase</span></span>
at that time).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Could<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span
class=GramE>someone</span> please help me! Either by detailed information or
maybe by <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> providing the
modified source code? I would be extremely thankful!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I will get you some
source code goodness.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I prefer you use
it as a guide and not take it as gospel; naturally, I'm good with Tremor but I
was never terribly good at working with the 5416.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>For all I know, I'd been going at it all
wrong from the beginning.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Monty<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Tremor@xiph.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New"'><a
href="http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/tremor"><span lang=EN-GB
style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/tremor</span></a></span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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